Reply to: Fujitsu announced 1800 job losses

[boxingbantz]

Judging by a couple of people I know who volunteered for FJ redundancies around 2010, some people will pick up their redundancy money then come back six months later as a contractor on a decent day rate. Win-win!

[SussexSeagull]

I am SC and sadly it isn't the license to print money some think :-(

[MrMarkyMark]

True, the consequences (from a distance) are going to be highly entertaining to watch - what surprises me is how well they have tied down the escape clauses (the CL1 guidance is explicitly clear, agents have been removed from the other routes in).

Looks like most of the MOD contractors have left, which was posted on the PS thread.
Will be interesting to see what they do with the lack of specialist resources.

What would be really interesting is if they decide to go for the private sector.
Especially as most of the City of London contractors pay 20% VAT that the government trousers.

Given their calculations are all highly questionable, I wonder if they have factored it in

[eek]

For sure, I'm not sure they are going to like the impact though

True, the consequences (from a distance) are going to be highly entertaining to watch - what surprises me is how well they have tied down the escape clauses (the CL1 guidance is explicitly clear, agents have been removed from the other routes in).

[MrMarkyMark]

True but I think you will need to be doing something very special and unique not to be caught by the new PSC IR35 rules.

I'm actually impressed at how thought through they are and how they've actually managed to get all the bits to point in the same direction.

For sure, I'm not sure they are going to like the impact though

[eek]

Nearly all is not equal to all.

True but I think you will need to be doing something very special and unique not to be caught by the new PSC IR35 rules.

I'm actually impressed at how thought through they are and how they've actually managed to get all the bits to point in the same direction.

[SueEllen]

Considering nearly all PS contracting gigs are done through an agency I fail to see how you can work for them without one...

Nearly all is not equal to all.

[boxingbantz]

You can work in the public sector, but not through an agency with the client. - This is what is happening now.

Considering nearly all PS contracting gigs are done through an agency I fail to see how you can work for them without one...

[boxingbantz]

Worked at FJ for five years and, judging the people who work there, no one should have any worries about them stealing contractor gigs from us all.

[Eirikur]

Not surprised after their total F@~k up with the Post office projects

[DaveB]

Am I right in thinking that SC will only really apply to public sector jobs? The same jobs which will be affected by the new IR35 rules supposedly under consultation? If so, then SC isn't going to be very lucrative for much longer.

No. Any organisation, public or private, that handles classified information on behalf of government may be required to ensure that all it's staff / contractors are subject to appropriate security clearance.

This happens primarily in the defense sector, but in lots of other areas as well.

[Lance]

So SC is ok if like working 5 days a week in the far corners of tuliphole UK....

Not always true. Some sites require onsite (without phone, laptop etc) and others completely WFH (and for contractors). Clearly cannot name but v. large consultancy for v. large defence.

[northernladuk]

No you are not. It's certainly a chunck of the market but it's not all of it.

[westtester]

Am I right in thinking that SC will only really apply to public sector jobs? The same jobs which will be affected by the new IR35 rules supposedly under consultation? If so, then SC isn't going to be very lucrative for much longer.

[MrMarkyMark]

The good news is that the government have finally woken up to the fact that they pay too much for desks and the places they put them in. They are currently moving to a flexible working culture meaning far fewer desks and far more work from where it suits the worker. They are also moving away from the use of SC as a mandatory clearance. _most departments_ are not dealing threat to life or with stuff that would cause political turmoil if it got to the wrong places. However most people that try and jump into the Government from a Bank or Retail type background will make a total ****up of it because they just don't understand the culture and why they can't just ask their favourite sales guy for a load of IT Hardware over a line of coke on a strippers arse...

No doubt load of people will read this and say but I am different I would be good at government. Trust me just the fact that you think that way will make you the perfect anti-candidate...

Closest I have got is Network Rail and the London Underground, I understand what you are saying completely.
Both times I went in under the consultancy banner and both times I found I got better results as I let them know I was an independent contractor.
Obviously, the consultancy did want them to know this, but it was surprising how much better the results got, when they found out I was not "one of them"

Now where's my coke and where's that strippers @rse