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  • SussexSeagull
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    Originally posted by Cookielove View Post


    I’ve lost count of the numbers of times now you have trotted out this exact same line …ties here kids in school …it’s wearing thin and not cutting it.


    Our own are on the scrap heap and we are subsidising other countries …it’s can’t carry on. Time for people to go …other countries put their own citizens first and this ain’t working…there is growing resentment…something has to give.
    Get used to it, as I will keep on making the argument. We are a civilised country and while the government might have made a mistake giving out so many IT related Visas it isn't the fault of the people who went through the legal process, some of which now have children with no connections to the country their parents came from.

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  • anonymouse
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    Originally posted by uk contractor View Post
    I agree it was finished ages ago they allowed way too many IT vistas should cancel the lot no shortage of skilled IT workers in the UK at all.....skilled IT workers who do not want to be exploited however is a another matter altogether!

    In a few years it will become so obvious right now the government do not know or do not care enough to do something about it due to their stupid one sided deal with India........!

    Cancel that agreement kick the lot out will be a positive start in the right direction but its not going to happen is it! When NI & Tax coffers have dropped drastically they might look up for a few mins to see what's going on LOL!
    Whilst it might be news to the government, it isn't to public sector civil servants, why do you think we have IR35?. It's due to them hating self employed contractors. HMRC is using non UK FTC's in large numbers and that includes its suppliers. But they never learn, it might be cheaper per week, but when a project takes 3 times longer, it works out more expensive. However, it's the taxpayers money, so who cares. One of my last projects was 20 contractors to 1 permie, they cancelled most contracts.

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  • Cookielove
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    Originally posted by uk contractor View Post
    I agree it was finished ages ago they allowed way too many IT vistas should cancel the lot no shortage of skilled IT workers in the UK at all.....skilled IT workers who do not want to be exploited however is a another matter altogether!

    In a few years it will become so obvious right now the government do not know or do not care enough to do something about it due to their stupid one sided deal with India........!

    Cancel that agreement kick the lot out will be a positive start in the right direction but its not going to happen is it! When NI & Tax coffers have dropped drastically they might look up for a few mins to see what's going on LOL!
    Yep agree kick the lot out …other countries do it no longer needed …time to go…life is tough we are living it right now.

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  • Cookielove
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
    I am all for not giving out anymore IT Visas, or at least heavily restricting them, but you can’t really start throwing out people who came here legally.

    For one thing a lot have gone on to get indefinite leave to remain and will have ties here including kids in school.

    I’ve lost count of the numbers of times now you have trotted out this exact same line …ties here kids in school …it’s wearing thin and not cutting it.


    Our own are on the scrap heap and we are subsidising other countries …it’s can’t carry on. Time for people to go …other countries put their own citizens first and this ain’t working…there is growing resentment…something has to give.

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  • SchumiStars
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    Originally posted by edison View Post

    Saw an interesting post today with a graph showing software engineer job ads on Indeed in the USA has fallen 70% since since 2022.

    The poster argued the highly paid developer jobs are now largely the preserve of engineers mainly working on frontier tech.

    Many degrees now have limited value in the absence of any work experience when young people enter the job market, computer science is no exception.

    Interestingly, CompSci is one of the hardest degrees to get into at the very best UK unis.
    Yes it is. And if you are going to make it hard then
    ​​why not apply to the best college, in the best uni, in the country?
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    I do know a grad from last year in computer science who has not secured any kind of role. A bit demoralising I can imagine.

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  • edison
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    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
    I started with ICL (Fujitsu services) in 2000. As a fresh grad, I was on high starter salary due to the .dot boom.

    There were contractors there for 3/4yrs on £100ph + vat + overtime. Getting them to go home was a challenge.

    Not sure, if I have or will see that rate again now. Certainly not, by the time I want to retire in a couple of years anyhow.

    ​​​​​​No idea why you would want to do computer science at uni, if you can't cover the amount you have to pay back on your degree.
    Saw an interesting post today with a graph showing software engineer job ads on Indeed in the USA has fallen 70% since since 2022.

    The poster argued the highly paid developer jobs are now largely the preserve of engineers mainly working on frontier tech.

    Many degrees now have limited value in the absence of any work experience when young people enter the job market, computer science is no exception.

    Interestingly, CompSci is one of the hardest degrees to get into at the very best UK unis.

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  • SchumiStars
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    I started with ICL (Fujitsu services) in 2000. As a fresh grad, I was on high starter salary due to the .dot boom.

    There were contractors there for 3/4yrs on £100ph + vat + overtime. Getting them to go home was a challenge.

    Not sure, if I have or will see that rate again now. Certainly not, by the time I want to retire in a couple of years anyhow.

    ​​​​​​No idea why you would want to do computer science at uni, if you can't cover the amount you have to pay back on your degree.

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  • ResistanceFighter
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    for dev work, I'm starting to see a few more roles pop up (that actually look real) but its very hard to get noticed or reach out to the recruiter. No calls for over a month. Even if there is an improvement, its still going to take some time to churn through all the devs currently on the bench. Emphasis on the word "if"

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  • uk contractor
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    Originally posted by avonleigh View Post

    Exactly this. Visa's won't stop by any government. As they have their own agenda or are taking backhanders from a lot of these consultancies. I was thinking about how long this has been going on. I remember back in 2010 we had some furniture built at home and the guy doing it was an ex-developer. Said he got made redundant because all dev got offshored and he had had enough. That was 15 years ago. It probably was going on before that but that's the earliest example I can remember.
    Its been going on since about then but accelerated rapidly last few years as companies look to boost their share price by reducing costs (in the wrong areas!!).

    All the IB's are doing it right now that's tens of thousands of highly skilled IT workers many will never work in IT again as the roles are simply no longer there (for decent wages) as the unlimited pool from the outsourcers is all the companies want to lower costs & boost their balance sheet...but when the crash comes it will be seriously ugly financially!!

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  • uk contractor
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
    I am all for not giving out anymore IT Visas, or at least heavily restricting them, but you can’t really start throwing out people who came here legally.

    For one thing a lot have gone on to get indefinite leave to remain and will have ties here including kids in school.
    I think you can do this & you have to do this they will have to seek alternate employment like many of us have or had to its a tough old life! That's what they do in many other countries when your no longer required you have to go!

    We are effectively subsidising a high standard of living for millions of people at our own vast expense! Whilst throwing on the trash heap our own people!

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  • SussexSeagull
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    I am all for not giving out anymore IT Visas, or at least heavily restricting them, but you can’t really start throwing out people who came here legally.

    For one thing a lot have gone on to get indefinite leave to remain and will have ties here including kids in school.

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  • jamesbrown
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post

    Can't they pass it onto the contractor?
    No, it is paid by the Fee Payer, but any sane client would only operate via an umbrella, so it would be umbrella employment (where IR35 is moot). It's no different than regular employment in that regard. Obviously, the rate negotiated by the contractor reflects the power (im)balance that exists, and you can argue that ErNI is a tax on workers, but that is a separate argument.

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  • avonleigh
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    Originally posted by uk contractor View Post
    They need to cancel all foreign IT workers Vistas wait a few years see if any fake perceived skills gaps appear train UK born workers to plug those but its not going to happen due to the immense corruption in the government!!
    Exactly this. Visa's won't stop by any government. As they have their own agenda or are taking backhanders from a lot of these consultancies. I was thinking about how long this has been going on. I remember back in 2010 we had some furniture built at home and the guy doing it was an ex-developer. Said he got made redundant because all dev got offshored and he had had enough. That was 15 years ago. It probably was going on before that but that's the earliest example I can remember.

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  • uk contractor
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
    There was a review into the amount of IT visas but no idea if it progressed.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1175334.html
    They need to cancel all foreign IT workers Vistas wait a few years see if any fake perceived skills gaps appear train UK born workers to plug those but its not going to happen due to the immense corruption in the government!!

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  • uk contractor
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    Originally posted by Cookielove View Post
    @uk_contractor Well those 6000 means most will get culled replaced for cheaper to hire imports provided by the illegal providers who the UK government welcome with open arms FFS!


    I've been saying this for ages mass immigration has destroyed IT ....cheaper labour has been being brought in for a long while and we are sunk and no one is addressing it...
    I agree it was finished ages ago they allowed way too many IT vistas should cancel the lot no shortage of skilled IT workers in the UK at all.....skilled IT workers who do not want to be exploited however is a another matter altogether!

    In a few years it will become so obvious right now the government do not know or do not care enough to do something about it due to their stupid one sided deal with India........!

    Cancel that agreement kick the lot out will be a positive start in the right direction but its not going to happen is it! When NI & Tax coffers have dropped drastically they might look up for a few mins to see what's going on LOL!

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