I know one big company is discriminating against white males, they never say that, but even coming top in their recruitment process is unlikely to lead to an offer.
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Originally posted by avonleigh View PostIt really isn't so easy when you have been contracting for such a long time. I have been contracting 27 years. Been applying for permie roles since 2020. Barely had an interview, lost count of how many roles I have applied for. Did have a second interview last week for a role that is ideal. Interviewed really well but think it's a no again.
Interviewing for perm is very different to interviewing contract roles.
One thing that usually gets me is the perm normie/NPC interviewers always says: 'have you got experience with [insert X blatantly obvious thing you will have done 100 times]?'
And then you dont agree that approach is optimal and you prefer Y different approach. Never do that. Its always YES then go on to explain only positive experiences with X
Also Ageism is real. An interesting experiment. Go to the team photos on https://cord.co
Try and find a receding hairline on any of the guys in the photos. Or anyone that looks over 40. A wheres wally exercise
Its literally all photos that look like recent grads with maybe a couple of 30 somethings.
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Originally posted by umeshk View PostI've been benched for almost 5 months now, running on fumes now financially. I've been on a couple of permie interviews, but trying to explain why I want to go back to perm role after contracting seems to be a hurdle I'm not able to get over. I've even got to a point I'm going for perm roles with salaries when I first started in IT in my early 20's. Is that a mistake, or should I just take it on the chin, take the role to atleast have income?
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Originally posted by avonleigh View PostIt really isn't so easy when you have been contracting for such a long time. I have been contracting 27 years. Been applying for permie roles since 2020. Barely had an interview, lost count of how many roles I have applied for. Did have a second interview last week for a role that is ideal. Interviewed really well but think it's a no again.
In interviews when I get asked if I have any questions, one of the ones I normally ask the interviewers is along the lines of:
"Have you any concerns/reasons why you would NOT give me this role?"
It puts them on the spot and will normally get fairly honest responses from them that will focus on your experience (e.g. in their industry/type of business/etc), or for a permanent role they will be asking "what makes us believe that you won't jump ship as soon as you get your first contract offer?" Think about questions like that and how you can answer/reassure them. Talk about how you have worked on long projects and are driven by getting things delivered, talk about looking for stability/security/how you're tired of living out of a suitcase, whatever.
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It really isn't so easy when you have been contracting for such a long time. I have been contracting 27 years. Been applying for permie roles since 2020. Barely had an interview, lost count of how many roles I have applied for. Did have a second interview last week for a role that is ideal. Interviewed really well but think it's a no again.
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Originally posted by umeshk View PostI've even got to a point I'm going for perm roles with salaries when I first started in IT in my early 20's. Is that a mistake, or should I just take it on the chin, take the role to atleast have income?
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Originally posted by umeshk View PostI've been benched for almost 5 months now, running on fumes now financially. I've been on a couple of permie interviews, but trying to explain why I want to go back to perm role after contracting seems to be a hurdle I'm not able to get over. I've even got to a point I'm going for perm roles with salaries when I first started in IT in my early 20's. Is that a mistake, or should I just take it on the chin, take the role to atleast have income?
As for going for any role, you probably need to dumb down your cv for entry roles, as I doubt a lot of companies would take on someone way overqualified. If you are in a dire financial situation then any job will be better than no job. Best of luck!
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Originally posted by umeshk View PostI've been benched for almost 5 months now, running on fumes now financially. I've been on a couple of permie interviews, but trying to explain why I want to go back to perm role after contracting seems to be a hurdle I'm not able to get over. I've even got to a point I'm going for perm roles with salaries when I first started in IT in my early 20's. Is that a mistake, or should I just take it on the chin, take the role to atleast have income?Last edited by escapeUK; Yesterday, 18:06.
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I've been benched for almost 5 months now, running on fumes now financially. I've been on a couple of permie interviews, but trying to explain why I want to go back to perm role after contracting seems to be a hurdle I'm not able to get over. I've even got to a point I'm going for perm roles with salaries when I first started in IT in my early 20's. Is that a mistake, or should I just take it on the chin, take the role to atleast have income?
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The UK stock market is only up because the pound has gone down against the dollar, and any predicted dividends look higher in dollars with the new exchange rates... so people are prepared to pay more for stock with the same dollar returns
On the other hand any Brit invested in US stocks, will see they have gained massively in the last few months
Originally posted by tsmith View Post
FTSE ALL TIME HIGH! Meanwhile
“Today’s jobs figures are surprisingly poor, with a steep fall in employment and a sharp rise in those out of work, including an unexpected rise in unemployment,” Tony Wilson, the director at the Institute for Employment Studies, said.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...interest-rates
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The UK stock market (FTSE100 or FTSE250) isn't powering towards anything. Their performance over the last decade has been staggeringly bad (as per Reuters):
NASDAQ +388%
S&P500 +259%
Nikkei Japan + 138%
Eursostoxx +62%
FTSE100 +13%
FTSE250 MINUS 17%
The UK market weighting in the MCSI world index has halved in the last 15 years. It seems hardly any investors want to buy UK stocks and it's not surprising considering the dull plodding companies that make up most of the index.
Between the two indices, it gives a good idea of how UK companies are poor wealth creators and by extension, well paid job creators.
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post
The FTSE 250 is a better indicator of the state of the UK contract market and it is still way off its high.
But in general the UK stock market is a joke compared to the US, Microsoft was recently worth more than the entire FTSE 100 combined, and you could buy the whole of the FTSE 250 as-well with the change you had left over.
Jobserve headline number can fluctuate quite a bit intra week as sometimes they seem to clear out the database and repopulate it, so some days it can under report.
As for references, you could give the annoying agent your previous Agency as the reference if you don't want to give them the end client.
“Today’s jobs figures are surprisingly poor, with a steep fall in employment and a sharp rise in those out of work, including an unexpected rise in unemployment,” Tony Wilson, the director at the Institute for Employment Studies, said.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...interest-rates
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Originally posted by DrGUID View PostFTSE powering towards 9K but Jobserve vacancies have now collapsed to 23K. Something has to give.
There's been an uptick in agents asking for references
But in general the UK stock market is a joke compared to the US, Microsoft was recently worth more than the entire FTSE 100 combined, and you could buy the whole of the FTSE 250 as-well with the change you had left over.
Jobserve headline number can fluctuate quite a bit intra week as sometimes they seem to clear out the database and repopulate it, so some days it can under report.
As for references, you could give the annoying agent your previous Agency as the reference if you don't want to give them the end client.Last edited by Fraidycat; Yesterday, 08:54.
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