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Previously on "State of the Market"

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  • KentDogWalker
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    Originally posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    I've got to say - it's great to hear opportunities coming in, and 9/10 outside of IR35.

    I think we possibly got what we wanted - the companies stopped taking the easy advice of the 'consultants' and actually made their roles outside of IR35, in name and in spirit. Everybody wins.
    yeh i agree, the gov is sent away red faced. well done yall

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  • NorthWestPerm2Contr
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    Just finished my contract on Friday and looking at the market.... Outside more common than last time I checked and Inside rates starting to improve a little. Looks like it will be a few weeks until I land my next contract and could even take a couple of months.

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  • northernladuk
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    Originally posted by ensignia View Post

    Maybe in a very specific market, but virtually all roles I'm seeing are Inside albeit with a slightly higher rate to compensate.
    Kind of same but I'm thinking more 70/30 inside to outside so in the middle of you both. Nearly 100% for public sector though. Not too many increased rates from what I can see.

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  • ensignia
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    Originally posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    I've got to say - it's great to hear opportunities coming in, and 9/10 outside of IR35.
    Maybe in a very specific market, but virtually all roles I'm seeing are Inside albeit with a slightly higher rate to compensate.

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  • PerfectStorm
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    I've got to say - it's great to hear opportunities coming in, and 9/10 outside of IR35.

    I think we possibly got what we wanted - the companies stopped taking the easy advice of the 'consultants' and actually made their roles outside of IR35, in name and in spirit. Everybody wins.

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  • quackhandle
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    Seems to be picking up on the outside stuff at a decent market rate, i.e. normal market rate and not "a market rate that is down 25-40% as we are still not sure if this role is really outside IR35".

    Two interviews next week.

    This made me chuckle this morning:

    "Hello qh,

    we are recruiting for a contract role that is outside IR35 but we will be looking to make the contractor permanent after 4 months."



    qh

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by ContractorBanking View Post
    Likewise here, never seen it so busy.. my phone and LinkedIn updates have been busy since late Aug.

    Managed to bag a good contract last month, albeit inside IR35.
    a.k.a. a job

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  • ContractorBanking
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    Likewise here, never seen it so busy.. my phone and LinkedIn updates have been busy since late Aug.

    Managed to bag a good contract last month, albeit inside IR35.

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  • CheeseSlice
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    When I was last looking in Sept I successfully negotiated inside rates that had the employers NI added on top of my outside rate. Got an outside one in the end though.

    "you see I'll have to pay your clients employer taxes on their behalf, so I need to add that onto the rate"
    "as they want to do it inside IR35, thats their decision, so I have to charge the extra to pay their taxes for them"

    Plain and simple language to the agents seems to get through, especially when you're in demand. Not sure it'll work the same during lean times though.

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  • ensignia
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    Market is really strong at the moment, my phone hasn't stopped ringing for the past few weeks.

    Shame my Outside gigs are both coming to an end though. There seem to be far more Inside roles available which I'm loathe to take, but may be forced to.

    Now, to the age old question: £675 inside vs £500 outside?

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    when a company says they want you to be in the UK, it's just to avoid indians applying in the thousands. once you have a uk bank account, a ni number and you receive your laptop, you can move wherever the hell you want
    really?
    You never heard of conditional access?
    As more and more identity attacks are used as vectors for infiltration, more and more countries are going to be blocked by organizations (with exceptions made on a person by person basis).

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  • WTFH
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    Originally posted by eek View Post

    Does matter if the end client has certified that no data leaves the UK...
    Very true, and that's not just military/government but can also apply to healthcare and medical supply companies, normally based on section 251

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by BigDataPro View Post

    Given the Covid situation and travel restrictions etc, it may not be necessarily just Indians, probably all overseas candidates. But once situation eases, there could be a lot more supply and competition. Looks like we need to build a good rapport with the client more than ever.
    Good networking to develop client contacts should be every contractor's focus irrespective of good times or bad. I haven't seriously had to job hunt for about 10 years because I simply update my LI heading when I'm coming available and the universe provides.

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  • BigDataPro
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    when a company says they want you to be in the UK, it's just to avoid indians applying in the thousands. once you have a uk bank account, a ni number and you receive your laptop, you can move wherever the hell you want
    Given the Covid situation and travel restrictions etc, it may not be necessarily just Indians, probably all overseas candidates. But once situation eases, there could be a lot more supply and competition. Looks like we need to build a good rapport with the client more than ever.

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  • edison
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    when a company says they want you to be in the UK, it's just to avoid indians applying in the thousands. once you have a uk bank account, a ni number and you receive your laptop, you can move wherever the hell you want

    That may be true. I've been helping a client with a large amount of perm and contract recruitment since last year. I'd say about a quarter to a third of applicants are from India. Many tick the 'Do you require a visa?' box and instantly are disqualified.

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