Reply to: The image that says it all

[hgllgh]

"To all intents and purposes... unelected"
And how does that differ from the UK House of Lords, UK Monarchy, UK Civil Service, and the current UK Government?

agreed. "100%" with you on that.

[WTFH]

but that isn't the point of brexit... the point is that "economic integration" should not become MORE than economic integration whereby Europe effectively becomes the United States of Europe, government by a quasi supra-national governing body, which is, to all intents and purposes... UNELECTED! This was the 'rai·son d'être' for brexit.

"To all intents and purposes... unelected"
And how does that differ from the UK House of Lords, UK Monarchy, UK Civil Service, and the current UK Government?

The people who voted for Brexit seem keen to keep changing the reason for why they voted.
It's like they are the biggest exponents of cancel culture out there.

[hgllgh]

Note the poor, backward looking countries that are not part of any trade bloc (in grey)

but that isn't the point of brexit... the point is that "economic integration" should not become MORE than economic integration whereby Europe effectively becomes the United States of Europe, government by a quasi supra-national governing body, which is, to all intents and purposes... UNELECTED! This was the 'rai·son d'être' for brexit.

If 27 'commissioners' set an agenda for the EU parliament that is then voted on by a bunch of MEP's that hardly anybody voted for, and who, even then, cannot change that agenda, is that really democratic?

[hgllgh]

I think that you'll find that the UK hasn't had a working, sensible and functioning government since the referendum. Do you think uch of this tulip would have happened if that hadn't occurred? Due a bunch of racists and neo-facsists causing the Tories to run scared about losing their position in government, they decide to screw up the country instead. Ever since then the Tories have put party and politics before the country...

you think the UK had a sensible and functioning government before the referendum?

[PCTNN]

in grey are the countries that hold all the cards

[_V_]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63627801

Former environment secretary George Eustice has savaged the UK's free trade deal with Australia and criticised Liz Truss's role in negotiating it.

Mr Eustice, who helped secure the agreement, told a Commons debate that it was "not actually a very good deal for the UK".

It was the first post-Brexit deal negotiated from scratch.

Mr Eustice told the Commons that now he is on the backbenches he "no longer has to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed".

Overall the UK "gave away far too much for far too little in return", he told MPs.

Oh Dear!

[Paddy]

Now find one that demonstrates Trade Agreements with other countries.

Why don't you supply a list?

[sadkingbilly]

Ever since WW1 the Tories have put party and politics before the country...

ftfy

[darmstadt]

So how about you complete the quotation...

Yes, we are in a bad position - but it's not necessarily as bad as some commentators would have us believe. And let's face it, since early in this year when Patygate kicked off we haven't really had a working, sensible government in charge for all sorts of reasons, most of which are related to Parliament playing politics among themselves rather than governing the country. So it's not all that surprising that we are in a mess, given all the factors in play.

I think that you'll find that the UK hasn't had a working, sensible and functioning government since the referendum. Do you think uch of this tulip would have happened if that hadn't occurred? Due a bunch of racists and neo-facsists causing the Tories to run scared about losing their position in government, they decide to screw up the country instead. Ever since then the Tories have put party and politics before the country...

[malvolio]

UK GDP % change compared to pre-pandemic levels is -0.4%, whereas all other economies have grown. The Eurozone economy has grown by 2.1%.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn02784/

That's why the situation is so bad in the UK. Basically the economy is just shrinking. Small companies are failing to grow into new large companies because it's too difficult to expand into the EU.

So how about you complete the quotation...

Please note that headline GDP growth figures across countries are not 100% comparable. For example, the UK takes a different approach to others in calculating output in the education and health sectors. This has resulted in the UK’s GDP growth figures being lower in 2020, and higher in 2021 (as this effect unwound), compared with other G7 economies than they otherwise would have been.

Yes, we are in a bad position - but it's not necessarily as bad as some commentators would have us believe. And let's face it, since early in this year when Patygate kicked off we haven't really had a working, sensible government in charge for all sorts of reasons, most of which are related to Parliament playing politics among themselves rather than governing the country. So it's not all that surprising that we are in a mess, given all the factors in play.

[BlasterBates]

UK GDP % change compared to pre-pandemic levels is -0.4%, whereas all other economies have grown. The Eurozone economy has grown by 2.1%.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn02784/

That's why the situation is so bad in the UK. Basically the economy is just shrinking. Small companies are failing to grow into new large companies because it's too difficult to expand into the EU.

[malvolio]

The point is, almost every country is part of a trading bloc, that's how efficient trade works in the modern world.

Yes I understand that perfectly well thanks. How long does it take to create a new one or join one already in place? Especially when we are a service economy rather than a trading one? I suppose we could swap a few dozen contractors for several tons of spuds of course.

[_V_]

[_V_]

Now find one that demonstrates Trade Agreements with other countries.

The point is, almost every country is part of a trading bloc, that's how efficient trade works in the modern world.

[malvolio]

Now find one that demonstrates Trade Agreements with other countries.