Reply to: Peoples' front of Judea

[WaltZucher]

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The public surely tries to portray that. I personally don't judge if I don't speak with in person.

[WTFH]

...unsourced claims...

Talk about bumping old threads. Have you just signed up to GBeebies and decided to bombard us?

[hgllgh]

The EU has been deploying military units in peace keeping operations for years, it isn't new, and it was in everyone's interests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Artemis

It became an issue so that the Brexiteers could come up with fake arguments about an EU army. There is no plan for an EU army, just yet another rapid reaction force of a few thousand, because the previous was disbanded as the military conflicts to which they'd been deployed had been resolved.

I think the EU would disagree with you on that. Their intentions are CLEAR... "Ever closer Union"...

The European Defence Union is official EU policy Even the EU now calls it “the European Army”
(05 Nov 2019 From official EU and UK Government sources, for MPs and for ordinary members of the public)

There is no longer any pretence from the EU – they are preparing their own army. This is no longer hidden.

“It took us a few weeks. And we decided it together, still at 28, and we did it…. Over this past year our common [EU] defence has advanced more than in the previous 60 years.”
- Federica Mogherini, EU Commission Vice-President & de facto Defence & Foreign Secretary, Jun 2017

“The first missions under EU flag were launched already back in 2003. Since then, 34 EU missions have operated on three continents.”
- EU’s ‘European External Action Service’, 24 Aug 2018

“We need to be ready to redefine our decision-making and sometimes to waive unanimity…. We need to create a European Security Council… We need to create a European Deployment Force with which Europe can act quickly… We should work on the vision one day to create a true European Army"
…. Jean-Claude Juncker said it four years ago:

‘A common European army’ ” - German Chancellor Angela Merkel, speech to EU Parliament, 13 Nov 2018

“Europe is forming an army. A united EU military is becoming a reality.”
– Ursula von der Leyen, former German Defence Minister and new EU Commission President, in her own article in the German press, 10 Jan 2019

[David71]

hmm

So its not really an army and it doesn't really exist, nothing to see here. Sounds familiar

"EU Battlegroups are multinational, military units, usually composed of 1500 personnel each and form an integral part of the European Union’s military rapid reaction capacity to respond to emerging crises and conflicts around the world."

Nope. Not an army. Just a 'European Union['s] military rapid reaction capacity', with guns.

[vetran]

hmm

So its not really an army and it doesn't really exist, nothing to see here. Sounds familiar


https://www.historylearningsite.co.u...nd-rearmament/

Throughout the 1920’s, Germany had been technically keeping to the terms of the Treaty of Versailles but in reality she had been bending the rules regarding training. Versialles had not stated that Germany could not train submarine crews abroad or that pilots for the banned German Air Force could train on civilian planes. Therefore, on paper Hitler inherited a weak military but this was not in reality the case. However, Hitler knew that publicly Nazi Germany was still seen within Europe as being held to the terms of Versailles and he was determined to openly break these terms and re-assert Germany’s right to control its own military.

[BlasterBates]

The EU has been deploying military units in peace keeping operations for years, it isn't new, and it was in everyone's interests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Artemis

It became an issue so that the Brexiteers could come up with fake arguments about an EU army. There is no plan for an EU army, just yet another rapid reaction force of a few thousand, because the previous was disbanded as the military conflicts to which they'd been deployed had been resolved.

[Paddy]

So why are Brussels proposing a joint foreign policy and combining member states' military resources to support it?

If the UK was not in favour of such proposals or policies than as an EU member, the UK could veto it; as the UK has left the EU they no longer have a say. In any event it is highly unlikely that the 27 remaining countries would agree. Something needs to be done because currently, the EU is relying on NATO to protect it's borders on the eastern front.

[malvolio]

She does a lot of well-posed photo shoots

"The EU" has not expressed that view. It is made of up dozens of nations and hundreds of millions of people. You mean, some people in EU leadership have suggested it. The EU isn't a military union and won't become one, at least not while Nato is around.

So why are Brussels proposing a joint foreign policy and combining member states' military resources to support it?

[d000hg]

She does a lot of well-posed photo shoots

"The EU" has not expressed that view. It is made of up dozens of nations and hundreds of millions of people. You mean, some people in EU leadership have suggested it. The EU isn't a military union and won't become one, at least not while Nato is around.

[vetran]

By that logic, Liz Truss isn't a supermodel... YET. Both are of equal likelihood.

Has Liz Truss ever suggested she wants to become a supermodel? The EU have suggested they want an Army & political wing.

[d000hg]

FTFY

By that logic, Liz Truss isn't a supermodel... YET. Both are of equal likelihood.

[vetran]

Given we are already in NATO, as are many other EU countries, an EU army seems just a little redundant. And why does an economic union want an army anyway?

Because its not an economic union? 'Ever Closer Union'

[malvolio]

I was referring to the union of European nations.

Oh, that. OK. Another pointless chimera.

[BlasterBates]

Given we are already in NATO, as are many other EU countries, an EU army seems just a little redundant. And why does an economic union want an army anyway?

I was referring to the union of European nations.

[malvolio]

I find it interesting that the UK won't join unless at least one country outside of Europe is in it.

Given we are already in NATO, as are many other EU countries, an EU army seems just a little redundant. And why does an economic union want an army anyway?