Reply to: How Easy for GB to Rejoin

[Mordac]

OK, so if we're discussing reality and numpties...

Thatcher signed Maastricht, looking to tighten the free trade association conditions and simplify business dealings (but with exceptions like not joining Schengen, for example).

Blair, without a plebiscite, committed the UK to creating the EU federated state 2006 by signing us up to the revised EU constitution. That was what did the damage to our sovereignty.

HTH. BIDI

While we're being accurate, Major signed the Maastricht treaty (1992), which committed signatories to membership of a federal European state at some vague point in the future. You're also wrong about Blair, as the Lisbon Treaty was famously signed by Gordon Brown (you're a year out, it was 2007) behind closed doors, as even he realised he was signing away UK sovereignty without so much as discussing it in Parliament. I will always be somewhat thankful that for whatever reason (possibly known only to himself) he refused to sign the UK into the Euro.

[vetran]

How could the EU be called a superstrate? Furthermore, in 1988 Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher made a speech in favour of barrier-free access to the European single market. No doubt your parents voted Tory.

You really show how much of a numpty you really are.

what do you call a group of countries with a central government, political wing and army?

Oh sorry its an economic market that has absolutely no aspirations to become a superstate... Army?? what army????? do they only allow people with an IQ below 7 to be remainers?

Mrs Thatcher was fooled into thinking a single market was the end game like many others. I liked the idea of a single market until I realised what came with it.

[malvolio]

You claimed "it did the damage to our sovereignty" now you are saying it didn't because we go out in time and you are now doing a Freudian deflect by involving an unrelated subject

You guys really don't get it do you.

Look at what forum we are in. Read some of the bollocks that's been written here over the last few years. And you're expecting rational, factual discussion?

I've had my fun. Feel free to carry on.

[Paddy]

No I haven't because it hasn't happened, because we ducked out in time and we retained our own currency and we weren't in Schengen. Ask Portugal, Spain and Greece about sovereignty.

You claimed "it did the damage to our sovereignty" now you are saying it didn't because we go out in time and you are now doing a Freudian deflect by involving an unrelated subject

[malvolio]

Re: How did it do damage to our sovereignty. Can you name some specifics?
You have none then.

No I haven't because it hasn't happened, because we ducked out in time and we retained our own currency and we weren't in Schengen. Ask Portugal, Spain and Greece about sovereignty.

[Paddy]

Like I said, shouting down a well. Go talk to yourself for a while, then you might get answers you like.

Re: How did it do damage to our sovereignty. Can you name some specifics?
You have none then.

[malvolio]

You're the one joining a thread about how easy would it be to rejoin.

As for the economy tanking, the only part of the UK that isn't tanking big time is Northern Ireland, which is why Brexiteers want to punish them. How dare they do well because they can trade with the EU!

Like I said, shouting down a well. Go talk to yourself for a while, then you might get answers you like.

[WTFH]

Like shouting down a well, isn't it.

OK, so you're wrong in the key events of the EU membership saga and their impacts, but they still happened. We're also out of the EU now, or hadn't you noticed, and that is not going to be reversed, especially since the EU's overall economy is slowly tanking. So I really don't understand your continuing arguing about it. So I'll stop trying to educate you.

You're the one joining a thread about how easy would it be to rejoin.

As for the economy tanking, the only part of the UK that isn't tanking big time is Northern Ireland, which is why Brexiteers want to punish them. How dare they do well because they can trade with the EU!

[malvolio]

Like shouting down a well, isn't it.

OK, so you're wrong in the key events of the EU membership saga and their impacts, but they still happened. We're also out of the EU now, or hadn't you noticed, and that is not going to be reversed, especially since the EU's overall economy is slowly tanking. So I really don't understand your continuing arguing about it. So I'll stop trying to educate you.

[WTFH]

OK, so if we're discussing reality and numpties...

Thatcher signed Maastricht, looking to tighten the free trade association conditions and simplify business dealings (but with exceptions like not joining Schengen, for example).

Blair, without a plebiscite, committed the UK to creating the EU federated state 2006 by signing us up to the revised EU constitution. That was what did the damage to our sovereignty.

HTH. BIDI

You really need to read your own posts.

They won't help, but I know that.

... there was a step change in the UK's relationship with the EU at Maastricht. Which was done without a referendum, extensive debate (what there was, I seem to remember, was largely against signing) or even much of a mandate. A perfect example of Labour's core philosophy that only the government knows what is best for its electorate.

Only if you choose to ignore somewhat uncomfortable fact that it was the unilateral signing of the Maastricht treaty by Blair

We didn't have a referendum on the SEA or on the MT, and you thought that was a disgrace that Labour did this. Now that you are told it wasn't Labour, you're saying that they were really minor.

You've suckled at the Tory teat too long.

[Paddy]

OK, so if we're discussing reality and numpties...

Thatcher signed Maastricht, looking to tighten the free trade association conditions and simplify business dealings (but with exceptions like not joining Schengen, for example).

Blair, without a plebiscite, committed the UK to creating the EU federated state 2006 by signing us up to the revised EU constitution. That was what did the damage to our sovereignty.

HTH. BIDI

How did it do damage to our sovereignty. Can you name some specifics?

[malvolio]

You're the numpty who thinks Tony Blair signed the Maastricht treaty.

OK, so if we're discussing reality and numpties...

Thatcher signed Maastricht, looking to tighten the free trade association conditions and simplify business dealings (but with exceptions like not joining Schengen, for example).

Blair, without a plebiscite, committed the UK to creating the EU federated state 2006 by signing us up to the revised EU constitution. That was what did the damage to our sovereignty.

HTH. BIDI

[darmstadt]

Nobody is arguing the single market was a bad idea. Equally nobody is supporting the idea of tying our currency to the Mark (which is what the Euro actually is). nor for being tied to a raft of rules and regulations that in many cases don't actually meet the standards the UK had already set. Nobody is arguing about free movement between countries being a bad thing - after all most of our immigration problems are from non-EU countries. Nobody is supporting the EU rules regarding Northern Ireland where goods being exported to the rest of the UK are treated the same as the 4% of goods going in that are to be re-exported to Eire because the EU bureaucracy pretends it can't cope with the difference..

But we bow to your greater knowledge of being a numpty.

Businesses in NI are quite happy with the protocol apart from the bigots and the Brexiters: https://www.politico.eu/article/irel...in-belfast-uk/

[WTFH]

But we bow to your greater knowledge of being a numpty.

You're the numpty who thinks Tony Blair signed the Maastricht treaty.

[malvolio]

How could the EU be called a superstrate? Furthermore, in 1988 Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher made a speech in favour of barrier-free access to the European single market. No doubt your parents voted Tory.

You really show how much of a numpty you really are.

Nobody is arguing the single market was a bad idea. Equally nobody is supporting the idea of tying our currency to the Mark (which is what the Euro actually is). nor for being tied to a raft of rules and regulations that in many cases don't actually meet the standards the UK had already set. Nobody is arguing about free movement between countries being a bad thing - after all most of our immigration problems are from non-EU countries. Nobody is supporting the EU rules regarding Northern Ireland where goods being exported to the rest of the UK are treated the same as the 4% of goods going in that are to be re-exported to Eire because the EU bureaucracy pretends it can't cope with the difference..

But we bow to your greater knowledge of being a numpty.