Reply to: The times they are a changing..

[vetran]

Looks like they're negotiating with that nice Mr Putin for some of his Russian vaccine. I wonder how much he will charge (and I'm not just talking about the money) to get the EU out of the hole they've dug for themselves. Removal of all sanctions, anyone...?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...k-v-vaccine-eu

'A man is known by the company he keeps'

hmm.

[Mordac]

Well the more they do that the more likely AZ are to move from the EU and put their prices up. $20-40 a shot sounds about right. When supplies are short most sensible people don't kick the cheapest suppliers in the nuts. Going round seizing doses is not exactly legal.

Looks like they're negotiating with that nice Mr Putin for some of his Russian vaccine. I wonder how much he will charge (and I'm not just talking about the money) to get the EU out of the hole they've dug for themselves. Removal of all sanctions, anyone...?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...k-v-vaccine-eu

[vetran]

They already stopped a shipment of 250,000 to Australia. The UK will almost certainly get less. I would postpone your holiday.

Well the more they do that the more likely AZ are to move from the EU and put their prices up. $20-40 a shot sounds about right. When supplies are short most sensible people don't kick the cheapest suppliers in the nuts. Going round seizing doses is not exactly legal.

[BlasterBates]

You are a prize idiot. As soon as the EU starts seizing supplies and placing export bans on pharmaceutical companies, the courts are going to be very busy. In the long term, companies may choose to shift production to countries which won't tell them how to run their businesses and prevent them from meeting their contractual obligations.

You do realise that vaccine ingredients travel both ways, which is why even Pfizer have told the EU to stop being stupid, as they would have to halt production of their vaccine if supplies of vital ingredients (from a Yorkshire-based company) were affected.

It has taken this pandemic to show the EU for what it is. Fundamentally incompetent and ridiculously bureaucratic, and instead of knowing when to stop digging, they are about to exacerbate an international crisis which they have done more than anyone to cause.

(But at least they don't have blue passports.)

They already stopped a shipment of 250,000 to Australia. The UK will almost certainly get less. I would postpone your holiday.

[Mordac]

The EU will decide whether the UK gets its orders delivered, not Astra-Zeneca. The UK can do what it likes in the courts they don't have any jurisdiction over the EU anymore.

You are a prize idiot. As soon as the EU starts seizing supplies and placing export bans on pharmaceutical companies, the courts are going to be very busy. In the long term, companies may choose to shift production to countries which won't tell them how to run their businesses and prevent them from meeting their contractual obligations.

You do realise that vaccine ingredients travel both ways, which is why even Pfizer have told the EU to stop being stupid, as they would have to halt production of their vaccine if supplies of vital ingredients (from a Yorkshire-based company) were affected.

It has taken this pandemic to show the EU for what it is. Fundamentally incompetent and ridiculously bureaucratic, and instead of knowing when to stop digging, they are about to exacerbate an international crisis which they have done more than anyone to cause.

(But at least they don't have blue passports.)

[vetran]

There you go, your bias laid out.

It's ok, you want to be biased then that's your choice, but don't pretend that you argue from a balanced view point when you don't.

what are you talking about do tell me what the EU has done right I have given you 3 examples of what I believe it has done wrong do feel free to challenge them or put up counter claims. or you can just carry on posting tulip you made up as usual!

[Whorty]

Happy to praise the EU when they do something right. Do tell when they do.

I don't consider beating Catalan voters senseless , denying any plan for an army until they were forced to reveal it, being 3 months+ late to the negotiating table on vaccines or leaving Greece to starve to be right. YMMV.

The EU are good for the leaders of the EU.

There you go, your bias laid out.

It's ok, you want to be biased then that's your choice, but don't pretend that you argue from a balanced view point when you don't.

[vetran]

The reason why the EU vaccine roll out is so slow is because the UK have hogged all the vaccines. The EU has exported 20 million doses to the UK. The UK exported nothing.

Anyway it looks like they've seen the error of their ways and will be stopping those exports.

Not the EU being months late to sign the contract for vaccines at or below cost then throwing their weight around because they don't get their vaccines first? Maybe because they lied about the efficacy of the AZ none of their citizens want it. That's the problem with facts remoaners don't understand them.

[vetran]

The bias is you never have anything positive to say about the EU. You only post bile. That's bias my friend.

Whereas most remainers will criticise the EU if it's wrong equally as much as the UK government. That's what you seem to struggle to understand - I'm not pro EU any more than I'm against it. It's just for me, on balance, the UK is better off in a free trade group that allows UK companies to freely trade with its closest neighbours.

Happy to praise the EU when they do something right. Do tell when they do.

I don't consider beating Catalan voters senseless , denying any plan for an army until they were forced to reveal it, being 3 months+ late to the negotiating table on vaccines or leaving Greece to starve to be right. YMMV.

The EU are good for the leaders of the EU.

[BlasterBates]

Wrong and wrong. Astra Zeneca and Pfizer have moved (both ways) their products around their supply chains in order to fulfil orders placed by governments. The UK got their orders in first, months before the EU. If the EU wish to legally force companies which operate in their jurisdiction to fulfil their orders before others, best of luck to them, but legally they would be on very dodgy ground. The UK has committed to exporting surplus supplies once all UK citizens have been vaccinated, which is all they can do.

The EU will decide whether the UK gets its orders delivered, not Astra-Zeneca. The UK can do what it likes in the courts they don't have any jurisdiction over the EU anymore.

[Mordac]

The reason why the EU vaccine roll out is so slow is because the UK have hogged all the vaccines. The EU has exported 20 million doses to the UK. The UK exported nothing.

Anyway it looks like they've seen the error of their ways and will be stopping those exports.

Wrong and wrong. Astra Zeneca and Pfizer have moved (both ways) their products around their supply chains in order to fulfil orders placed by governments. The UK got their orders in first, months before the EU. If the EU wish to legally force companies which operate in their jurisdiction to fulfil their orders before others, best of luck to them, but legally they would be on very dodgy ground. The UK has committed to exporting surplus supplies once all UK citizens have been vaccinated, which is all they can do.

[BlasterBates]

The reason why the EU vaccine roll out is so slow is because the UK have hogged all the vaccines. The EU has exported 20 million doses to the UK. The UK exported nothing.

Anyway it looks like they've seen the error of their ways and will be stopping those exports.

[Whorty]

What group would that be then?

ASEAN

[HoofHearted]

the UK is better off in a free trade group that allows UK companies to freely trade with its closest neighbours.

What group would that be then?

[Whorty]

Just because you don't agree with our reasons doesn't mean we are biased.

The bias is you never have anything positive to say about the EU. You only post bile. That's bias my friend.

Whereas most remainers will criticise the EU if it's wrong equally as much as the UK government. That's what you seem to struggle to understand - I'm not pro EU any more than I'm against it. It's just for me, on balance, the UK is better off in a free trade group that allows UK companies to freely trade with its closest neighbours.