Reply to: Unilaterally changing the terms of the deal

[darmstadt]

Boris Johnson will today fire the starting gun on trade negotiations with the European Union, with the government floating the idea of a looser Australian-style deal if a more comprehensive arrangement cannot be agreed.

I wonder if Johnson knows that the EU doesn't actually have a trade deal with Australia yet? Maybe he's talking about WTO rules....

[original PM]

And who are the good guys in high stakes international relations?

Well let's start with the ones who do not see it as being all about them rather than the millions of people they supposedly represent.

[AtW]

Maybe a quote from Darth Vader isn't really the best way to paint the EU as being the good guys?

Just saying like.

[emoji849]

And who are the good guys in high stakes international relations?

[AtW]

Don't be naïve. It's Germany and France against the UK. The other 25 are irrelevant, even the ones who have something of a working economy. Germany and France are scared they're going to have to cover the costs of their failed experiment all by themselves, since 40% of their income just went walkies.

First time ever France and Germany united against Uk - super successful polity of prevent this from happening - 2 world wars, countless smaller wars all in vain because one piece of tulip wanted to become PM

[scooterscot]

Don't be naïve. It's Germany and France against the UK. The other 25 are irrelevant,

I cringe every time I read a leaver fail to understand how free movement throughout the EU benefits the two largest economies and the EU as a whole, and the EU benefits as a whole from their contributions.

This us and them post war lust mentality in little England will take anther 2-3 generations to clear out.

[Zigenare]

Don't be naïve. It's Germany and France against the UK. The other 25 are irrelevant, even the ones who have something of a working economy. Germany and France are scared they're going to have to cover the costs of their failed experiment all by themselves, since 40% of their income just went walkies.

Not again! FFS NURSE!!!!!

[malvolio]

I guess now we'll see who needs whom more.

27 vs 1

I think I know the outcome of it. Suddenly chlorinated chicken never tasted so good. You thick morons deserve it all.

Don't be naïve. It's Germany and France against the UK. The other 25 are irrelevant, even the ones who have something of a working economy. Germany and France are scared they're going to have to cover the costs of their failed experiment all by themselves, since 40% of their income just went walkies.

[Cirrus]

It's like a game of chicken.

It's like a war. Tens or hundreds of thousands of troops will get hurt but the generals are willing to pay the price.

We took on the might of the Third Reich and survived but it's not 1942 any more. We did well in the Second World War because we were still an empire. It wasn't Little England who prevailed. It was us plus soldiers from India, Czechoslovakia, Africa, Poland, New Zealand etc etc.

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the Brexiteers.
“Forward, the Loony Boris Junta!
Charge for the self delusion!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the Brexiteers

[NotAllThere]

Almost certainly we are going to see a re-run of the Withdrawal agreement tactics, only even more extreme now Boris has had all opposition annihilated.

He will play the Domesday Machine game - making the EU believe he is so psychotic that he is absolutely ready to nuke EU-UK trade if he doesn't get what he wants. Obviously Dom Cummings thinks the EU will fold but the problem is i) you cannot be sure and ii) you cannot take any mitigation action, as that undermines your loony self-destruction threat.

Our best hope is the EU will pull forward the 'deadline' to mid-year (quoting all the bureaucratic processes that need to be followed prior to January). That makes it easier to have some preparation for hard Brexit but still means many more months where we still don't have any real idea what Brexit will mean.

It's like a game of chicken. Between a Leopard 2A7 and a Morris Marina.

[PCTNN]

I guess now we'll see who needs whom more.

27 vs 1

I think I know the outcome of it. Suddenly chlorinated chicken never tasted so good. You thick morons deserve it all.

[WTFH]

Maybe a quote from Darth Vader isn't really the best way to paint the EU as being the good guys?

Just saying like.

[emoji849]

I’m guessing the spin has started already, and the Boris fans are lapping it up.

Let’s blame the EU for something that the Boris media speculate - they say Boris believes that something has happened - no evidence it has happened, and no evidence that Boris had made a trade deal.

But hey, if he can’t blame the EU, he’s going to end up having to accept responsibility for some things he’s done himself.

[original PM]

Boris Johnson 'infuriated' as EU reneges on free trade deal

The Prime Minister believes Brussels has unilaterally been 'changing the terms' of the deal he agreed last year

Boris Johnson has become "privately infuriated" with what he sees as the EU's attempts to frustrate a comprehensive free trade deal, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

The Prime Minister believes Brussels has unilaterally been "changing the terms" of the deal he agreed last year, when both sides set out to work towards an ambitious and deep trade agreement.

As a result the UK is no longer wedded to a Canada-style agreement, in what would be a major hardening in the Government's Brexit strategy.

Boris Johnson 'infuriated' as EU reneges on free trade deal

"Perhaps you think you are being treated unfairly?"

Maybe a quote from Darth Vader isn't really the best way to paint the EU as being the good guys?

Just saying like.

[emoji849]

[Eirikur]

The ball is in their court and the UK will have its cake and eat it

[BlasterBates]

The UK holds all the cards. The EU will fold.

[Cirrus]

Almost certainly we are going to see a re-run of the Withdrawal agreement tactics, only even more extreme now Boris has had all opposition annihilated.

He will play the Domesday Machine game - making the EU believe he is so psychotic that he is absolutely ready to nuke EU-UK trade if he doesn't get what he wants. Obviously Dom Cummings thinks the EU will fold but the problem is i) you cannot be sure and ii) you cannot take any mitigation action, as that undermines your loony self-destruction threat.

Our best hope is the EU will pull forward the 'deadline' to mid-year (quoting all the bureaucratic processes that need to be followed prior to January). That makes it easier to have some preparation for hard Brexit but still means many more months where we still don't have any real idea what Brexit will mean.