Reply to: Brexit talks hit real problem - hard Brexit here we come!

[AtW]

The time will be when EU says it is, not a second sooner.

[WTFH]

Indeed but it does look like the "grown-ups" will put together a deal.

Grown-ups agree a compromise

It's almost like the Express published one thing, then later on the opposite was posted in reliable news sources.

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...-scenario.html

Brexit live: Now is the time for a deal, Theresa May tells EU - latest news

[Whorty]

Ok so no one said we would not do any trade with countries in the EU did they?

Or was that written on a bus somewhere.

There are approx 202 countries on the World - only 27 are in the EU so that does leave a little over 180 left to play with.

The world changes quickly - compare China twenty years ago to now - repeat that for many African countries.

But no you sit in your smug self-righteous ivory tower convinced you are correct because in reality you voted to stay in because you are too scared of change, because in reality you could not care about anyone but yourself and your own pocket.

That was the real crux of this vote and you simply cannot why anyone would want to vote for anything beyond how it will affect your tiny little world and your mediocre income.

wah, wah, wah, bbbbbut, we won

[WTFH]

Indeed but it does look like the "grown-ups" will put together a deal.

Grown-ups agree a compromise

It says that the grown ups have come up with suggestions. It does not say that they have agreed to it.
Removing the headline and xenophobic rhetoric of the paper we end up with:

"There is a possible space to find an agreement," said one French official.

And today French finance minister Bruno Le Maire confirmed that a Brexit deal was not far away and could be reached in the coming weeks. In an interview with France’s Radio Classique he said: “We are not far from a deal.”

But his (Macron's) officials yesterday indicated that fresh proposals for a "temporary backstop" contingency plan as an insurance policy designed to keep no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic could be put on the table.
Their compromise included a guarantee the so-called backstop would be "temporary" but "without too precise an end date", the Elysee Palace source said.

So, the headline that France has caved in, turns out the detail is that France is agreeing with the rest of the EU27 about a backstop solution, something which the UK Govt, particularly the DUP have said "NO!" to. DUP threat over Brexit backstop deal - BBC News

[BlasterBates]

Stupidity of this level deserves the "best" possible Brexit - i.e. a real, hard one. I hope you get it.

As any parent knows sometimes you must let have the kids have what they want so they find out for themselves why it's a bad idea

Indeed but it does look like the "grown-ups" will put together a deal.

Grown-ups agree a compromise

[sasguru]

Ok so no one said we would not do any trade with countries in the EU did they?

Or was that written on a bus somewhere.

There are approx 202 countries on the World - only 27 are in the EU so that does leave a little over 180 left to play with.

The world changes quickly - compare China twenty years ago to now - repeat that for many African countries.

But no you sit in your smug self-righteous ivory tower convinced you are correct because in reality you voted to stay in because you are too scared of change, because in reality you could not care about anyone but yourself and your own pocket.

That was the real crux of this vote and you simply cannot why anyone would want to vote for anything beyond how it will affect your tiny little world and your mediocre income.

Stupidity of this level deserves the "best" possible Brexit - i.e. a real, hard one. I hope you get it.

As any parent knows sometimes you must let have the kids have what they want so they find out for themselves why it's a bad idea

[Cirrus]

Unfortunately no lights being shone.

There are approx 202 countries on the World - only 27 are in the EU so that does leave a little over 180 left to play with.

The world changes quickly - compare China twenty years ago to now - repeat that for many African countries.

But no you sit in your smug self-righteous ivory tower convinced you are correct because in reality you voted to stay in because you are too scared of change, because in reality you could not care about anyone but yourself and your own pocket. ...your tiny little world and your mediocre income.

180 countries to play with and you can't name one. That's terribly disappointing, Original. Disappointing to us, but not also to you? Aren't you a little ashamed you had the opportunity to win this argument with and handful of words. Even one might have done. But you couldn't. You couldn't remember anything anybody else has said in the way of evidence. And couldn't think of anything yourself.

As you can guess, my question was rhetorical. I was more-or-less certain you wouldn't be able to come up with anything but pointless, miserable offensive remarks. The idea that there is some Brexit bonus in terms of world trade is ridiculous and diminishes anybody who spouts such rubbish.

[Eirikur]

Ok so no one said we would not do any trade with countries in the EU did they?

Or was that written on a bus somewhere.

There are approx 202 countries on the World - only 27 are in the EU so that does leave a little over 180 left to play with.

The world changes quickly - compare China twenty years ago to now - repeat that for many African countries.

But no you sit in your smug self-righteous ivory tower convinced you are correct because in reality you voted to stay in because you are too scared of change, because in reality you could not care about anyone but yourself and your own pocket.

That was the real crux of this vote and you simply cannot why anyone would want to vote for anything beyond how it will affect your tiny little world and your mediocre income.

We have the best trade deal possible with our biggest economical partner- the EU 44% of UK export goes to the EU, no barriers no tariffs etc. Why do you want to make that worse?
Yes trade won't stop but it will be more complicated, paperwork, tariffs, border checks all resulting in higher prices of Uk products in the EU and EU products in the UK.
The EU as a bloc is also able to make much more favorable deals with countries such as China than the UK on its own, why wouldn't you want that?

The real crux of the vote btw was immigration, which is not going to reduce as there will be simply more immigrants from other countries mainly Asia

[original PM]

Ok so no one said we would not do any trade with countries in the EU did they?

Or was that written on a bus somewhere.

There are approx 202 countries on the World - only 27 are in the EU so that does leave a little over 180 left to play with.

The world changes quickly - compare China twenty years ago to now - repeat that for many African countries.

But no you sit in your smug self-righteous ivory tower convinced you are correct because in reality you voted to stay in because you are too scared of change, because in reality you could not care about anyone but yourself and your own pocket.

That was the real crux of this vote and you simply cannot why anyone would want to vote for anything beyond how it will affect your tiny little world and your mediocre income.

[Cirrus]

OriginalPM - Saviour of the Brexit Impasse

Like say we want a trade deal with 'insert country here'

@Original,

David Davis amongst many others is always banging on about the rich vein of foreign trade we can mine once we cast off the shackles of the EU framework we work under. This has been a mystery to remainers so we're pleased that you seem to know what this might be about.

To help you focus, these are the top selling British exports:

Rank UK Export Product 2017 Value (US$) Change

1 Cars $41.9 billion +2.7%
2 Turbo-jets $25.2 billion +29.9%
3 Medication mixes in dosage $20.4 billion -6.1%
4 Crude oil $19 billion +44.1%
5 Gold (unwrought) $17 billion +9.3%
6 Aircraft parts $16.1 billion +7.6%
7 Processed petroleum oils $11.3 billion +23.7%
8 Blood fractions (including antisera) $9.7 billion +11.5%
9 Alcohol (including spirits, liqueurs) $7.3 billion +3.5%
10 Automobile parts/accessories $6.6 billion +4.7%

And this is how exports are distributed:

54.4% of UK exports by value were delivered to other European trade partners while 22.6% were sold to Asian importers. United Kingdom shipped another 15% worth to North America. Smaller percentages arrived in Africa (2.5%), Oceania led by Australia and New Zealand (1.6%) and Latin America excluding Mexico but including the Caribbean (1.4%)

I guess we can agree that no new countries of any significance whatsoever are likely to appear. So let's deal with the ones already in existence:

1) Is there any country that the EU does not provide a trading relationship for us to operate under?
2) Is there any country where we could negotiate a better trading relationship than the EU has done, and will continue to do?

I don't know but I would assume (1) can't exist. If it did, we would go to the EU and say we all need to fill the gap. The other 27 would also be asking the same question.

That leaves (2). Remainers think that negotiating as part of one of the biggest trading blocks in the world is noticeably better than rocking up on your own. OK. the UK is the fifth largest economy but it is only a quarter the size of the top 4 EU countries (including us). So what is the mystery country/trading block that will give us something that suits us better, and in what possible way would the deal be better for us?

Just one country or one product would shine a light on this. So far David Davis, Boris, JRM and all the rest have singularly failed to give a single example, so cometh the hour; cometh the Original!

[Old Greg]

Fantastic! Relentless persistence and we pointless miserable materialistic twats have finally got a concrete example from arch-Brexiteer Original! This is more exciting than Watergate.

Only there's a slight problem

You accidentally put 'insert country here' when obviously you meant to tell us which country.

Just name one. That's all you've go to do.

Narnia.

[NotAllThere]

You are such a pointless miserable materialistic twat aren't you?

Shall I ask admin to rename you spiritualGuru?

Thus spake the prophet original PM.

Woe to ye who speak against the Holy Brexit
Woe to ye who love the evil Babylon that I pronounce
Is the evil EUSSR that was spoken of by our Lord, Farage
In the last days.

Blessed are you who suffer.
Blessed are you who hunger.
Blessed are you who are poor.
Blessed are you who are without home.

Rejoice, my people, in your freedom!

[Cirrus]

Just One

Like say we want a trade deal with 'insert country here' - oh if we are in the EU we best make sure all 27 other countries agree with us and let us do it - especially the germans.

Fantastic! Relentless persistence and we pointless miserable materialistic twats have finally got a concrete example from arch-Brexiteer Original! This is more exciting than Watergate.

Only there's a slight problem

You accidentally put 'insert country here' when obviously you meant to tell us which country.

Just name one. That's all you've go to do.

[sasguru]

You are such a pointless miserable materialistic twat aren't you?

Look if you want a safe space so you can suck your thumb, feel free to go into a corner

Let's just start with the big positive.

We will no longer need to get the permission from the rest of Europe when want to change something about our country.

We never did in the first place.

Like say we want a trade deal with 'insert country here' - oh if we are in the EU we best make sure all 27 other countries agree with us and let us do it - especially the germans.

In order to trade you need something to trade.
The EU as a collective bloc of the richest area in the world can negotiate far better trade deals than little old UK will.
Using EU trade deals Germany has managed to become the biggest or 2nd biggest exporter in the world.
France and Italy manufacture more.
Even Spain builds more cars than the UK
So the UK's failure is obviously nothing to do with the EU, more to do with the fact that the decision was made in the 80s to decimate manufacturing.
Brexit will not help the manufacturing industry that's left at all especially those that use JIT supply chains.
Replicating EU trade deals will cost billions and years in time.


So I'm afraid your argument for a potential benefit of Brexit fails on many fronts

[Eirikur]

All of the above

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How? Please tell me. I may start to support brexit if it's true