Reply to: Britain has backed itself into a corner

[AtW]

Nigel Farage is already measuring up for a brown shirt and trousers

FTFY

[tomtomagain]

great speech

Thanks. I didn't cough once.

[northernladyuk]

Brexit is like National Socialism, soon they will be bragging about year when they joined

Nigel Farage is already measuring up for a khaki shirt and a gun,

[AtW]

So is magical thinking.

Brexit is like National Socialism, soon they will be bragging about year when they joined

[northernladyuk]

You see. All you lot can do is imagine problems.

Whine, whine, whine, woe-is-me, we're-going-to-hell-in-a-handcart.

Doesn't that ever get boring for you? It's certainly getting boring reading it, day after day. Try imagining the sunny-uplands instead. It's much more fun.

For the record, I voted remain, but I am not going to spend the next four years moaning and complaining and trying to see the worst possible outcome in every situation. I just don't get that mindset.

Especially as the biggest moaners don't even live in the UK. That is truly bizarre.

... right back to work. I've just won a contract with a famous French company, gotta get it delivered.

BREXIT is a state of mind.

So is magical thinking.

[AtW]

Because the UK is not going to bother checking stuff. It's going to declare Dover, Southampton and Liverpool as a "Free Port".

Why would we want to introduce checks when we're planning tarrif-free trade with the World? If the EU wants to add extra checks, then they can implement those on their side of the border.

Same as the Irish border. The UK wants free movement to continue, so why would it impose border checks? If the EU doesn't want free movement to continue, it can command the Irish government to impose border controls.

AFAIK under WTO rules a country must take minimum tariffs

[BlasterBates]

You see. All you lot can do is imagine problems.

Whine, whine, whine, woe-is-me, we're-going-to-hell-in-a-handcart.

Doesn't that ever get boring for you? It's certainly getting boring reading it, day after day. Try imagining the sunny-uplands instead. It's much more fun.

For the record, I voted remain, but I am not going to spend the next four years moaning and complaining and trying to see the worst possible outcome in every situation. I just don't get that mindset.

Especially as the biggest moaners don't even live in the UK. That is truly bizarre.

... right back to work. I've just won a contract with a famous French company, gotta get it delivered.

BREXIT is a state of mind.

great speech

[AtW]

Of course it did. Just another of the awful Western policies, we should have pursued better ties with Russia.

Would NATO and the EU be entirely separate in the Russian view though? You are more likely to step in to defend a nation if you have a closer relationship with it on trade and other issues. I suspect Russia sees the EU as part of the Western threat.

Finland is in EU but not in NATO, Russia obviously sees threat in neighbours joining EU because people there will live better and that will inevitably lead to Russians demanding the same - which would be the end of KGB scum

[northernladyuk]

Because the UK is not going to bother checking stuff. It's going to declare Dover, Southampton and Liverpool as a "Free Port".

Why would we want to introduce checks when we're planning tarrif-free trade with the World? If the EU wants to add extra checks, then they can implement those on their side of the border.

Same as the Irish border. The UK wants free movement to continue, so why would it impose border checks? If the EU doesn't want free movement to continue, it can command the Irish government to impose border controls.

Let's be accurate. The UK, Ireland and EU are all happy for free movement of people to continue across the Irish border, preserving the CTA.

When it comes to the movement of goods, the UK wants to leave the custom's union and that includes NI leaving the customs union (no special status). So the UK is introducing the change that will lead to border control for goods. The UK is then childishly saying that it is the EU's fault for wanting border controls. Ireland will of course need to control the border, just as every other customs union border is controlled. Tricky business, seeing as there are more land border crossings in Ireland than there are on the EU's eastern border, and between the USA and Canada, combined.

[AtW]

No. But the eastward expansion is seen as provocative by the Russians. Look how close NATO is to St Petersburg. It is simply absurd to suggest that EU expansion has contributed to Ukraine whereas the peace has been kept by NATO despite its expansion.

NATO kept peace because Russia could not attack countries in it, Ukraine and Georgia had chance in 2008 but was denied, later Russia invaded to make sure they can't join NATO (due to territorial dispute)

[tomtomagain]

You see. All you lot can do is imagine problems.

Whine, whine, whine, woe-is-me, we're-going-to-hell-in-a-handcart.

Doesn't that ever get boring for you? It's certainly getting boring reading it, day after day. Try imagining the sunny-uplands instead. It's much more fun.

For the record, I voted remain, but I am not going to spend the next four years moaning and complaining and trying to see the worst possible outcome in every situation. I just don't get that mindset.

Especially as the biggest moaners don't even live in the UK. That is truly bizarre.

... right back to work. I've just won a contract with a famous French company, gotta get it delivered.

BREXIT is a state of mind.

[milanbenes]

and those pesky Europeans have taken matters into their own hands...

EU businesses start to replace British suppliers ahead of Brexit


the UK should follow suit and replace EU suppliers with, umm, yeah, umm,

Milan.

[milanbenes]

on the positive side,

The government estimates a new, upgraded electronic customs system - due to be introduced just two months before Brexit - will need to process 255 million customs declarations a year, up from 55 million now.

“Is a new IT system going to be able to cope with a sudden massive surge in stuff going through? ... It is a highly complex environment and the capacity for glitches is bound to be there,” said Guy Platten, Chief Executive of the UK Chamber of Shipping.


this is going to be fecking funny to watch

Milan.

[milanbenes]

precisely, the EU's supply chain won't be affected - who's going to miss a few bottles of Lea and Perrins and some Marmite

Britain on the other side, how much of Britain's supply chain comes in through Dover ?

ok, it seems, in September David Davies accepted that post Brexit freight delays through Dover will impact Britain's supply chain... UK Brexit negotiator concedes that there will be traffic delays at Dover (and on the M20). – Hollingbourne Parish Council

more here if you have time to read it...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1BP20J

higher prices and the food supply chain affected

Brexit means Brexit

this is going to be fecking funny to watch

Milan.

[WTFH]

Bit of both really.

Checking for terrorist/migrants is one thing, checking that a cargo of oranges from Egypt ( sans the EU Citrus Fruit tariff and therefore cheaper than Spanish oranges ) is another.

It’s not. It all involves opening/scanning the trucks and checking the paperwork.
And without the tariffs we’ll be free to bring in chlorinated chickens from the US as well.

I suppose that the thing that riles me a bit is the attitude that "There will be problems and we cannot do anything about them". If there is a queue in Dover ... there's going to be a corresponding queue in Calais. What are the French doing about that?

In reality, there will be problems, there always are, but we'll adapt and change and deal with them, we always do.

And also the impression that all the pain will be inflicted on the UK. It clearly will not be.

Zeebrugge biggest Belgian Brexit victim?

Yes, I agree. If there are queues they will be on both sides, and that article explains why there might not be queues - if it is too difficult or too expensive, then the trade no longer becomes worth doing.
While we will no longer be buying tariff-regulated products from Spain, there is also no compulsion for EU countries to buy product from outside the EU, particularly if there is a tariff on it. >70% of our food and drink exports go to the EU.