Reply to: The Official Brexit Supreme Court thread.

[Paddy]

This country can't build a fooking 3rd airport runway in like 30 years in a place with 98% capacity used, how does anybody expect a much bigger thing like Brexit to happen in less than say 10 years?

WHS

[AtW]

This country can't build a fooking 3rd airport runway in like 30 years in a place with 98% capacity used, how does anybody expect a much bigger thing like Brexit to happen in less than say 10 years?

[Paddy]

Fresh Brexit challenge in high court over leaving single market and EEA

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gle-market-eea

A fresh set of legal challenges asserting that the UK will remain within the single market and the European Economic Area after Brexit have been lodged at the high court.

A group of four anonymous claimants – who are a mix of overseas, EU, EEA and UK nationals – have joined a judicial review of government plans to leave the EU, alleging that separate parliamentary approval is needed to quit the EEA.

The new challenges issued on Thursday will consolidate the case already initiated by Peter Wilding and Adrian Yalland. Wilding runs the pro-single market organisation British Influence. The government and the European commission insist that the UK departs the EEA at the moment it leaves the EU.


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But article 127 of the EEA agreement requires contracting parties, which include the UK, to give at least 12 months’ notice before leaving, the claimants point out. That, they maintain, implies a separate departure process from the one in article 50 of the EU treaty that has been disputed in the supreme court.

The new claims, in the names of those identified only as W, L, T and B, have been accepted by the high court. One of the barristers involved in the claim, S Chelvan of No5 Chambers, said: “We are seeking a declaration that the UK cannot withdraw from the EEA without the approval of HM Treasury and an act of parliament.

“These are ordinary working men and women who have decided to make their futures in the UK and wish the UK to be their permanent home. One has mixed nationality; one is a non-EEA national but married to an EEA national. We are trying to highlight the various types of people who will be left in a state of limbo following our withdrawal from the EU.”

The European Economic Area Act 1993, Chelvan said, established EEA rights in UK domestic law. The four latest cases are being coordinated by the London law firm David Tang & Co. The lead barrister is Ramby de Mello, of No5 Chambers, who represented the interested parties in Gina Miller’s supreme court article 50 challenge.

[shaunbhoy]

Correct. Well done! I wonder if we can train you to make a cup of tea?

Well it would probably be a damned sight easier than trying to teach the average Bremainer to count their gooleys and get the same number twice!!

[BlasterBates]

We know, Remnants are acting for the good of the country and not on their own self interests.

And it was only the rich who voted to leave. Oops no, only the poor. Oh who cares. Only Remnants see the good of the country.

Ffs.

...absolutely

[NotAllThere]

We know, Remnants are acting for the good of the country and not on their own self interests. Only Remnants see the good of the country.

Correct. Well done! I wonder if we can train you to make a cup of tea?

[vetran]

No - that's the smell of Brexiters wetting themselves every time they think that the "will of the people" is begin thwarted. Even though it isn't and there are manifestly larger questions being resolved.

Manifestly larger questions like who is going to pay the politicians pensions if we leave the EU?

No the rich remnants are trying to quash Brexit and have kicked over a hornets nest.

[GB9]

No - that's the smell of Brexiters wetting themselves every time they think that the "will of the people" is begin thwarted. Even though it isn't and there are manifestly larger questions being resolved.

We know, Remnants are acting for the good of the country and not on their own self interests.

And it was only the rich who voted to leave. Oops no, only the poor. Oh who cares. Only Remnants see the good of the country.

Ffs.

[NotAllThere]

I love the smell of desperation in the morning..........

smells like............ remainers!

No - that's the smell of Brexiters wetting themselves every time they think that the "will of the people" is begin thwarted. Even though it isn't and there are manifestly larger questions being resolved.

[vetran]

I love the smell of desperation in the morning..........

smells like............ remainers!

[VectraMan]

Is that true? Nothing to do with the parliamentary elections that made him chancellor?

I thought there was only one referendum, and that was about refusing to comply with the Treaty of Versailles. They lost, even though 94% voted in favour (only 15% voted).

Wikipedia:

At Hitler's urging, Hindenburg responded with the Reichstag Fire Decree of 28 February, which suspended basic rights and allowed detention without trial. The decree was permitted under Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which gave the president the power to take emergency measures to protect public safety and order.

Sounds a lot like Royal Prerogative.

To achieve full political control despite not having an absolute majority in parliament, Hitler's government brought the Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act) to a vote in the newly elected Reichstag. The Act—officially titled the Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich ("Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich")—gave Hitler's cabinet the power to enact laws without the consent of the Reichstag for four years.

Bypassing Parliament is step 2.

These laws could (with certain exceptions) deviate from the constitution.[152] Since it would affect the constitution, the Enabling Act required a two-thirds majority to pass. Leaving nothing to chance, the Nazis used the provisions of the Reichstag Fire Decree to arrest all 81 Communist deputies ( and prevent several Social Democrats from attending.

Not quite there yet, but there are certainly some parallels with the "Enemies of the People" headlines. If opposition MPs really were going to try to defeat Brexit there'd be those calling for them to be locked up as traitors.

[TheGreenBastard]

Hitler basically only got into power due to referendums...which is why they are no longer used in Germany anymore

Is that true? Nothing to do with the parliamentary elections that made him chancellor?

Saying Hitler gained power by "referendums" seems disingenuous - anything to undermine the result tho eh!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[WTFH]

In short politicians are scrum.

And you have bought into Agile methodology a little bit too much.

[darmstadt]

Out of interest, had Hitler just won a referendum that the minority losers were desperately trying to prevent being implemented?

I pointed out the other day that trying to prevent democracy will cause extremism. Now if the Remnants would play by the rules.

The Advocate General has played the A9 of the BoR card.

Hitler basically only got into power due to referendums...which is why they are no longer used in Germany anymore

[vetran]

If you're going down that route of desperation...
Had Hitler's predecessors promised to close the borders, support the German health authority to the tune of £350 million a week and insist that Germany should only use German laws, then when they surprisingly won, all the pols who were pledging these promises and pledge to implement them turned tail and left, then started to say there would be no closed borders, no £350 million and no requirement to follow German law, then there would be a bigger similarity to Germany under the right wing fascists of the 1930s.

I would of thought Vichy France would be a better example of remainers, though to be fair the French did have Panzers on their lawn.