Reply to: PCG IR35Workshop - Bristol monday - anyone going?

[malvolio]

Bummer. Can't go now. Malvy - would be good if you could get hold of the slides....

Should get soft copies in the next day or so, will put them on the PCG RLM Forum when I do.

Funny how we always get the biggest turnout when the subject is IR35 and tax management...


OK, done now. You'll have to brave the new forums to find them! Enjoy...

[psychocandy]

Bummer. Can't go now. Malvy - would be good if you could get hold of the slides....

[saptastic]

They had nothing to do with AWR, not that it has had any effect on us contractors anyway: if HMG chooses to ignore all the input to the consultation, there's not a lot you can do. Without PCG, though, you wouldn't even have had the qualification that genuine businesses are out of scope.

Ditto the IR35 revamp (or, to be precise, the selection of potential cases criteria, which is all it was ever going to be). HMRC agreed to a range of proposals, then totally ignored them all in favour of their own immature, ill-informed and irrelevant tests. Now they're making them compulsory though the Alexander review. Go figure

Handcuff clauses can be dealt with, perfectly easily. That's about contract negotiation, not PCG or anyone else. Read Roger Egos's paper on the subject.

So let's at least get the target right. The kiss of death is not PCG failing any more than it is REC or Kate Cotterel, it's an entrenched Civil Service in the Treasury and HMRC refusing to accept that the world of master/slave has moved on and they need to be defending a wholly different business model. And for that you can blame Osborne and Cable in roughly equal measure.

And if you think you can do a better job than the PCG in this political environment, the answer is dead simple. You start with a few hundred angry people willing to put up £50...

Essentially you are saying that the PCG has had no influence on the Treasury or HMRC regarding these key policies?

[bobspud]

Bugger!
I'd have gone to this but I'm down near MK tomorrow as I start my new job...

Good luck to those who attend it will open your eyes to say the least. I recommend a jaunt to the cowshed afterwards.

Good steak well cooked.

The Cowshed - Home

[malvolio]

This is the effect pcg has on me to. They ****ed up AWR, they ****ed up with the recent IR35 revamp, they've done **** all to address handcuff clauses agents foster on us etc etc. In fact, they have the kiss of death on anything they get involved with.

They had nothing to do with AWR, not that it has had any effect on us contractors anyway: if HMG chooses to ignore all the input to the consultation, there's not a lot you can do. Without PCG, though, you wouldn't even have had the qualification that genuine businesses are out of scope.

Ditto the IR35 revamp (or, to be precise, the selection of potential cases criteria, which is all it was ever going to be). HMRC agreed to a range of proposals, then totally ignored them all in favour of their own immature, ill-informed and irrelevant tests. Now they're making them compulsory though the Alexander review. Go figure

Handcuff clauses can be dealt with, perfectly easily. That's about contract negotiation, not PCG or anyone else. Read Roger Egos's paper on the subject.

So let's at least get the target right. The kiss of death is not PCG failing any more than it is REC or Kate Cotterel, it's an entrenched Civil Service in the Treasury and HMRC refusing to accept that the world of master/slave has moved on and they need to be defending a wholly different business model. And for that you can blame Osborne and Cable in roughly equal measure.

And if you think you can do a better job than the PCG in this political environment, the answer is dead simple. You start with a few hundred angry people willing to put up £50...

[BolshieBastard]

I saw you at the last PCG IR35 conference.. Easy to spot you.....

This is the effect pcg has on me to. They ****ed up AWR, they ****ed up with the recent IR35 revamp, they've done **** all to address handcuff clauses agents foster on us etc etc. In fact, they have the kiss of death on anything they get involved with.

[kingcook]

Would be worth going but a bit to far away for me. Hopefully they'll do one near Manchester soon!

[NickNick]

I'm going to try and make that, seems like it will be interesting. I really hope that there is nothing new in it for me though if you catch my drift.

[northernladuk]

Be warned. I'll be there. I'm normallhy the guy at the front but the host this time is a lovely lady called Emma, who had blue hair last time we met. Your challenge is to spot me.

Seriously though, we've done this one a couple of times. It's always interesting, always generates questions and I always spot a few people looking like they've been smacked when they realise the stuff they thought they knew is wrong.

I saw you at the last PCG IR35 conference.. Easy to spot you.....

[malvolio]

Are these recorded anywhere? I'd be interested, but it's too far out from current ClientCo to get to in time.

No promises, but I may be able to get the slide decks posted on the PCG forums. Keep an eye on the PCG newletters or the main website, these move around the country so there may be one closer to you.

[b0redom]

Are these recorded anywhere? I'd be interested, but it's too far out from current ClientCo to get to in time.

[malvolio]

That looks pretty useful, I might go to that actually.

Be warned. I'll be there. I'm normallhy the guy at the front but the host this time is a lovely lady called Emma, who had blue hair last time we met. Your challenge is to spot me.

Seriously though, we've done this one a couple of times. It's always interesting, always generates questions and I always spot a few people looking like they've been smacked when they realise the stuff they thought they knew is wrong.

[FRS]

That looks pretty useful, I might go to that actually.

[cojak]

Good idea, if only for the looks on their faces as they leave the meeting.

[psychocandy]

Forwarded this to a couple of contractors who I work with.

Attitude ranged from whats IR35 to nah, not bothered with all that.... :-)