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Previously on "Can an Agency force me to use an FCSA Umbrella"
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Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
Agreed. The agency has to do a certain amount of due diligence and it's easier to use some form of industry accreditation as a short cut to that.
Regardless of what you think of the FCSA, what they offer agencies is some form of assurance that the umbrellas on their list are compliant even if some of their working practices are morally reprehensible.
Just like any company operating a PSL, agencies will shortlist the umbrellas they work with as it keeps the admin overheads down. I have no doubt that there's still backhanders going on between agencies and umbrellas for referrals.
Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's illegal.
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Originally posted by eek View Post
Sorry but that simply isn't true and an agency has the right to insist that only umbrellas on their PSL can be used
Regardless of what you think of the FCSA, what they offer agencies is some form of assurance that the umbrellas on their list are compliant even if some of their working practices are morally reprehensible.
Just like any company operating a PSL, agencies will shortlist the umbrellas they work with as it keeps the admin overheads down. I have no doubt that there's still backhanders going on between agencies and umbrellas for referrals.
Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's illegal.
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Originally posted by No1 WhistleB View Post
Hello,
No an agency can not force you to use an FCSA umbrella, All FCSA umbrellas simply pay a subscription fee to gain accreditation after a singular internal audit.
Its basically like an "old boys club" where you pay into the pot and your reap the rewards.
By the sounds of it your recruitment consultant at which ever agency you use is on some type of back handed from the agency who will gain "commission" to pass your information there and ultimately get you signed up.
If you hold firm regarding the preference of which umbrella you are wanting to use in my experience the end client will allow this.
I hope all goes well
I've been discussing the above with agencies and umbrellas for weeks and HMRC's rules regarding mini umbrellas means doing anything else would be completely insane.
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Originally posted by javalife View PostI have accepted a position with Lorien Resourcing Ltd, however they are forcing me to use their selected Umbrella. Now I do not want to use and FCSA Umbrella due to all the issue I see all over the internet. Is there away I can use a Professional Passport Umbrella instead. The Agency is saying the client only wants FCSA, but I know this is not the fact.
No an agency can not force you to use an FCSA umbrella, All FCSA umbrellas simply pay a subscription fee to gain accreditation after a singular internal audit.
Its basically like an "old boys club" where you pay into the pot and your reap the rewards.
By the sounds of it your recruitment consultant at which ever agency you use is on some type of back handed from the agency who will gain "commission" to pass your information there and ultimately get you signed up.
If you hold firm regarding the preference of which umbrella you are wanting to use in my experience the end client will allow this.
I hope all goes well
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
Do you mean you wished to cause bellyaching in others, or that you wished to bellyache?
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Originally posted by Phes View Post
I do not believe on is better than the other at all. I am seeking to achieve some bellyaching. Mission accomplished!
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Originally posted by eek View Post
Which ones were listed at some point? - I really can't be bothered to phone Crawford up and annoy him by asking...
I'm also at a complete loss here as to what you are trying to say / do here - one moment you say PP is better than FCSA (not difficult) and now you are having a go at PP...
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Originally posted by Phes View Post
How many of these umbrellas do you recognised from the professional passport lists of "accredited" umbrellas?
https://opencorporates.com/corporate...p+of+Companies
I'm also at a complete loss here as to what you are trying to say / do here - one moment you say PP is better than FCSA (not difficult) and now you are having a go at PP...
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Originally posted by cojak View Post
In your case we’ll merely point and laugh when that happens.
https://opencorporates.com/corporate...p+of+Companies
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Originally posted by eek View Post
As a membership lead organisation the FCSA will always have a director or 2 who is also the director of a member Umbrella firm.
As for Professional passport - while way better than it used to be, there does seem to be a habit of members quietly disappearing without comment.
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Originally posted by Phes View PostHas anyone on this thread done some digging on the FCSA?
The directors of the umbrellas that are ALWAYS on the agency's list of approved umbrellas are all previous directors of the FCSA;
Martin Hesketh - Brookson
Barry Roback - JSA
Graham Fisher - Orange Genie
Matthew Brown - Giant
John Whelan - Paystream
The FCSA is just an extorsion racket that penalises contractors like us!
At least with a Professional Passport umbrella we can give ourselves a chance at keeping our wages... till HMRC come knocking.
As for Professional passport - while way better than it used to be, there does seem to be a habit of members quietly disappearing without comment.
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Originally posted by Phes View PostHas anyone on this thread done some digging on the FCSA?
The directors of the umbrellas that are ALWAYS on the agency's list of approved umbrellas are all previous directors of the FCSA;
Martin Hesketh - Brookson
Barry Roback - JSA
Graham Fisher - Orange Genie
Matthew Brown - Giant
John Whelan - Paystream
The FCSA is just an extorsion racket that penalises contractors like us!
At least with a Professional Passport umbrella we can give ourselves a chance at keeping our wages... till HMRC come knocking.
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Originally posted by Phes View PostHas anyone on this thread done some digging on the FCSA?
The directors of the umbrellas that are ALWAYS on the agency's list of approved umbrellas are all previous directors of the FCSA;
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