Reply to: Increasingly frustrated with IPSE

[youngguy]

That's wrong on so many levels. Perhaps you should properly understand what they do and what they have done before slagging them off for being single-issue failures. When you do understand, then you can criticise, and people will listen.

I wasn't particularly slagging them off. I've been a member for over 8 years so am well aware of what they offer, what they do and what the majority (based on their forums and this forum) seem to use them for (insurance being top it seems).

I certainly didn't call them failures , but they have been unsuccessful on this issue , as well as several others and in a world where many won't need insurance...the offers of aggressive forums, templates and money off from Brookson may not be that appealing.

[malvolio]

True we are in an industry where we can say '350 notes a day is not enough and I wouldn't get out of bed for a rate as low as that', it is nuts when you think about it

Until you remember that a permie doing the same job will cost his employer roughly the same per day as you do. And continues to do so, gainfully employed and 100% utilised (none get above 80% incidentally) or not.

I do agree the perception is a real problem, but 90% of people have no idea on the true costs of employment and the economics of using temporary resources. Hence the "overpaid contractor" thing that will be difficult to shift.

[malvolio]

Ultimately though, if your USP is that you are the voice of contractors and you haven't been successful (I'm not blaming just stating a fact ) in the big battles,it begs the Q why exist. I personally think they could have done more (scenarios etc to debunk myths). It may not have worked but their single pronged approach does feel like they rolled over a little early

That's wrong on so many levels. Perhaps you should properly understand what they do and what they have done before slagging them off for being single-issue failures. When you do understand, then you can criticise, and people will listen.

[bobspud]

True we are in an industry where we can say '350 notes a day is not enough and I wouldn't get out of bed for a rate as low as that', it is nuts when you think about it

No it isn't. Go and ask your average barrister or tax specialist to give you 7 hours of their time for £350...

[youngguy]

Ultimately though, if your USP is that you are the voice of contractors and you haven't been successful (I'm not blaming just stating a fact ) in the big battles,it begs the Q why exist. I personally think they could have done more (scenarios etc to debunk myths). It may not have worked but their single pronged approach does feel like they rolled over a little early

[SlipTheJab]

This. My other half is a teacher and even she's always rolling her eyes at me about what we do even though it helps fund her lifestyle.

True we are in an industry where we can say '350 notes a day is not enough and I wouldn't get out of bed for a rate as low as that', it is nuts when you think about it

[northernladuk]

Bottom line is that if people choose to walk it's because they'll be forced to pay more tax. I don't see much public sympathy for the cause here.

This. My other half is a teacher and even she's always rolling her eyes at me about what we do even though it helps fund her lifestyle.

[FrontEnder]

They're probably well aware that going to the media could do more harm than good.

This is story that could easily be twisted. It's a complex argument that the general public know little to nothing about.

Bottom line is that if people choose to walk it's because they'll be forced to pay more tax. I don't see much public sympathy for the cause here.

[Fred Bloggs]

Yep IPSE are a total waste of money. But you're not allowed to say so one here, because the bullies will attack you, it's just like a trade union same bullying and pressure put on people to join them and agree with everything they do.
Canceled my membership last autumn.

At last, others are beginning to notice too.

[malvolio]

However I thinking what IPSE are doing is the best way forward for what they are trying to achieve. I nice article here Could China's Trump tactics actually be working? - BBC News

Well it's a thought. Although I suspect the Chinese are playing the long game here: they work in centuries, not presidential election cycles. A short term setback is probably a well calculated reaction

Plus the other difference is that Trump, for all his failings, has a big stick. We don't.

[SueEllen]

Over the following few years the language did change and things got a bit better for men.

It was realised that the children lose out if they don't see their father. It was nothing to do what men wanted.

[BrilloPad]

Yeah, that went well, didn't it...

Over the following few years the language did change and things got a bit better for men.

However I thinking what IPSE are doing is the best way forward for what they are trying to achieve. I nice article here Could China's Trump tactics actually be working? - BBC News

[malvolio]

About time they dressed up as Batman and scaled Big Ben....

Yeah, that went well, didn't it...

[BrilloPad]

It appears to me that IPSE's approach is one of trying to play the political game and have quiet chats in Westminster (at least that's what they purport) .

About time they dressed up as Batman and scaled Big Ben....

[eek]

Look on the bright side. If PC cancels his membership they can genuinely claim they represent professional contractors.

IPSE must have other members like PC. To be honest I suspect a fair proportion of the silent majority may make PC look enlightened.