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    Future of CEST

    From the front page.

    Old CEST results: Is your inside/outside IR35 determination still valid?

    If we are to feel the full effect of the reforms and how clients are dealing with it, won't CEST be a 'largely' redundant tool?

    As far as I am aware, there has been little or no take up of performing SDS rituals. If contractors are all to be pushed down the route where even the SDS process is not performed, what role does CEST now have?

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      #3
      I thought the SDS was a legal requirement?

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        #4
        Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
        I thought the SDS was a legal requirement?
        An SDS is only needed/relevant where clients are engaging with PSCs - many (most?) are not/will not be after April.

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          #5
          Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
          I thought the SDS was a legal requirement?
          But to date, there hasn't been any engagement of such because the clients are all just skirting that issue by declaring their Not using PSCs. As has been seen pretty much everywhere, to date.

          So while friend reporter on the front page is dissecting CEST reports, which have also been largely ignored or not trusted or just confusing, to my mind, his piece is also largely redundant, other than as a fantasy piece about what an alternative world Should look like...
          Last edited by simes; 29 January 2021, 10:38.

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            #6
            It is destined to go the way of the Business Entity Tests. Using CEST to demonstrate the "reasonable care" required for an SDS will become a niche of a niche, with most clients avoiding PSCs altogether.

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              #7
              As far as I am aware, there has been little or no take up of performing SDS rituals
              And that's where the whole thread becomes pointless

              If contractors are all to be pushed down the route where even the SDS process is not performed, what role does CEST now have?
              That's not the case. Some big companies have gone no PSCs and hit the news but there are plenty that are still determining as you can see on the Offpayroll site, and the fact CUK still exists. The bottom of article even addresses 're-test' so can't be as bleak as the OP suggests.

              Clueless as usual.

              I'm thinking/hoping that more companies will have got the grasp of this second time round so my cup is half full. It will be an utter nightmare for sure but I don't think as many will ban PSC's as this thread suggests.
              Last edited by northernladuk; 29 January 2021, 11:10.
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                #8
                Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
                And that's where the whole thread becomes pointless

                That's not the case. Some big companies have gone no PSCs and hit the news but there are plenty that are still determining as you can see on the Offpayroll site, and the fact CUK still exists. The bottom of article even addresses 're-test' so can't be as bleak as the OP suggests.

                Clueless as usual.

                I'm thinking/hoping that more companies will have got the grasp of this second time round so my cup is half full. It will be an utter nightmare for sure but I don't think as many will ban PSC's as this thread suggests.
                Bearing in mind your gobby response to the 'other thread', I UnIgnored you to see where you were at with this one.

                The usual fluff.

                Where is your evidence to show that anything different is happening 'this time' around. Indeed, when was the 'last time'. Gee whiz. Your fifth rate thinking, and fantasy land hoping is quite clearly not where we are right now. A simple perusal of Jobserve shows a far higher percentage of Inside statements even before the reforms are Supposed to come into effect. Any offers of CEST and SDS involvement quite clearly not even on the clients' or agents' radar.

                And, others have demonstrated a query over SDS usage, and others think that CEST may be intra niche.

                So if you could take your prick out of your hand long enough to quieten down and offer some considered opinion, 'cos fact with you is a long shot, maybe you'd have something other than 'cup half full' nonsense to offer.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by simes View Post
                  As far as I am aware, there has been little or no take up of performing SDS rituals.
                  Some clients are offering outside roles. Jobserve has many outside roles.

                  My current client co, medium size firm about 2500 person tech company are prepared to offer outside contracts, gives them a competitive advantage when engaging with top contracting talent.

                  They are using CEST.

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                    #10
                    Good to know. Thank you.

                    I am a PM, not worked in 10 months. Have yet to see One Single Example of what you are citing. The very few Outside examples I have been introduced to have to a 'T' said, Outside until end March, and from then on Inside. Nary a word about CEST or SDS.

                    This be my particular horizon.

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