PS Bodies unite to try to shelve IR35 plans

[eek]

But both wrong and naïve. They may well be applied far more widely than was originally intended (about which I am actually unconvinced), but the sole idea is to secure tax revenues that are under dispute and that may "disappear" the final position is resolved. That is not actually that unreasonable. What is unreasonable is imposing it on people who have no way to pay them pending that resolution. But this is an old argument, and has no place in this context.

And FWIW, while I very rarely agree with eek, on this one point I do. You may have been looking for a non-IR35 solution, but that does not to my mind mean you suddenly pay significantly less tax as a result.

To be honest half the time I pick an argument with you for the fun of it....

[Semtex]

Semtex?
I doubt you can blow your own nose


And yes I consider you were a total MUG when you joined your tax avoidance scheme.

HTH

Good one...

What makes you think I was in a scheme? I was not...

Reading your posts you have not offered any constructive views or help, just how great you are as all your family are 'self employed'.

really rather tedious. But I will leave it now.

Enjoy your excellent contracting career, but going forward please think of all the new forum members who rely on decent experienced contractors to assist them?

[eek]

Good one...

What makes you think I was in a scheme? I was not...

Reading your posts you have not offered any constructive views or help, just how great you are as all your family are 'self employed'.

really rather tedious. But I will leave it now.

Enjoy your excellent contracting career, but going forward please think of all the new forum members who rely on decent experienced contractors to assist them?

We do. We also ignore or treat with appropriate contempt new posters who tell us how to do things...

Oh and look who wrote the FAQ that sits at the top of this forum. I don't notice your name on it...

[Semtex]

We do. We also ignore or treat with appropriate contempt new posters who tell us how to do things...

Oh and look who wrote the FAQ that sits at the top of this forum. I don't notice your name on it...

Thank you Sir Eek (walks away backwards whilst flailing himself with a thorn bush saying "not worthy")

[MrMarkyMark]

Good one...

What makes you think I was in a scheme? I was not...

Reading your posts you have not offered any constructive views or help, just how great you are as all your family are 'self employed'.

really rather tedious. But I will leave it now.

Enjoy your excellent contracting career, but going forward please think of all the new forum members who rely on decent experienced contractors to assist them?

I've actually reviewed your posts and fail to see anything constructive in any of them unfortunately.
Plenty of whinging and bleating but nothing useful, happy to be proved wrong.

The main point, of that last post, was we were educated as we were growing up in that way of freelance working.
The secondary point was the fact that my old man thought the schemes were a load of old pony and he worked in construction.

Anyway Ill leave it there

[seeourbee]

My God you guys have a lot of time on your hands ...

[fool]

But both wrong and naïve. They may well be applied far more widely than was originally intended (about which I am actually unconvinced), but the sole idea is to secure tax revenues that are under dispute and that may "disappear" the final position is resolved. That is not actually that unreasonable. What is unreasonable is imposing it on people who have no way to pay them pending that resolution. But this is an old argument, and has no place in this context.

And FWIW, while I very rarely agree with eek, on this one point I do. You may have been looking for a non-IR35 solution, but that does not to my mind mean you suddenly pay significantly less tax as a result.

He's probably right though but not in the way he thinks. We sit here on our high horses looking down on the bums in seat contractors who don't keep themselves informed and by doing so we shoot ourselves in both feet.

Personally I've informed my fellow contractors of just how badly this might turn out for us and they all stared the client out until there was a big fat exception carved out for our group. We asserted our position strongly and we did it early and it looks to have been worked out.

The parts of the PS client I'm not involved in? Well I've only heard about massive in determinations so far.

[teapot418]

We do. We also ignore or treat with appropriate contempt new posters who tell us how to do things...

Who's "we"?

Personally, I try to be constructive and helpful regardless of how new or ill-informed the poster is.

[rob s]

and I thought poker forums were bad

[RonBW]

We sit here on our high horses looking down on the bums in seat contractors who don't keep themselves informed and by doing so we shoot ourselves in both feet.

First they came for the loan users, and I celebrated - I was left alone because I was not a loan user.
Then they came for the umbrella companies, and I celebrated - I was left alone because I am not an umbrella user.
Then they came for the bum on seat contractors, and I celebrated - I was left alone because I am not a BoS contractor.
Then they came for the public sector workers, and I celebrated - I was left alone because I'm smart enough to be able to move to private sector easily.

Then it was March 8th 2017, and I'm not celebrating any more.