Another one bites the dust (NHS IT Project)

[eek]

Welcome to CUK, where contractors revel in the misfortunes of other contractors at the hand of the HMRC....

Not quite - its where contractors have discovered that a lot of people are taking the mickey and are happy to see some of them be chucked overboard...

[LondonManc]

Welcome to CUK, where contractors revel in the misfortunes of other contractors at the hand of the HMRC....

Not at all. If they're dodging taxes by making false declarations, then I think it's only right that we're thoroughly piddled off with them. They've brought these changes on all of us.

[DotasScandal]

Not at all. If they're dodging taxes by making false declarations, then I think it's only right that we're thoroughly piddled off with them. They've brought these changes on all of us.

So HMRC enacts collective punishment because they can't be arsed to police a flawed system of their own making, and you're not piddled off at HMRC, but at your fellow contractors.

Ok.

[sal]

So HMRC enacts collective punishment because they can't be arsed to police a flawed system of their own making, and you're not piddled off at HMRC, but at your fellow contractors.

Ok.

What made you think we are not piddled off at HMRC?

[PurpleGorilla]

"Thirty PSC contactors will abandon an overrun £16.5million health service IT project..."

[northernladuk]

I wonder if any of 'The 30' have thought to change their LinkedIn profiles so can't be easily identified?

[RonBW]

I wonder if any of 'The 30' have thought to change their LinkedIn profiles so can't be easily identified?

In an ideal world, the thirty would be talking to the press and saying "yes, I was one of those people, this is how it would affect my business, this is a damaging idea, and this is a practical example of how the UK economy will be damaged by ill-thought out policy such as this".

Or at least one of them would.

[LondonManc]

So HMRC enacts collective punishment because they can't be arsed to police a flawed system of their own making, and you're not piddled off at HMRC, but at your fellow contractors.

Ok.

At what point have I said HMRC aren't a problem?

That said, my view of them is probably less tainted than yours, having not gone down the schemes route. I am still of the opinion, though, that I can spend my taxes in a more meaningful way than HMG could

The tax, national health and benefits systems all need ripping up and starting again; The NHS was relevant back in the day when we were rebuilding after a war. The tax and benefits systems were put in place back when it was mostly just men that worked - amendments have been like adding more wallpaper to a room without stripping off the old stuff first.

The biggest problem is the lack of tax payers - by that, I mean the number of people working who aren't paying tax for various legal and illegal reasons.

Legal problem:
Four people on zero hour contracts doing 8-10 hours a week each instead of one person working; all are getting top ups and benefits but all are regarded as not unemployed so the numbers look better; the ultimate in massaging the figures to make the graphs look far better than the actual true numbers.

Illegal problem:
Cash in hand workers at takeaways, etc. claiming full JSA benefits, etc.

The problem with the latter is the effort involved for the reward on offer, so the easier option is to keep on cranking the tax up for those of us that are in the tax system already.

[Semtex]

At what point have I said HMRC aren't a problem?

That said, my view of them is probably less tainted than yours, having not gone down the schemes route. I am still of the opinion, though, that I can spend my taxes in a more meaningful way than HMG could

The tax, national health and benefits systems all need ripping up and starting again; The NHS was relevant back in the day when we were rebuilding after a war. The tax and benefits systems were put in place back when it was mostly just men that worked - amendments have been like adding more wallpaper to a room without stripping off the old stuff first.

The biggest problem is the lack of tax payers - by that, I mean the number of people working who aren't paying tax for various legal and illegal reasons.

Legal problem:
Four people on zero hour contracts doing 8-10 hours a week each instead of one person working; all are getting top ups and benefits but all are regarded as not unemployed so the numbers look better; the ultimate in massaging the figures to make the graphs look far better than the actual true numbers.

Illegal problem:
Cash in hand workers at takeaways, etc. claiming full JSA benefits, etc.

The problem with the latter is the effort involved for the reward on offer, so the easier option is to keep on cranking the tax up for those of us that are in the tax system already.

what a croc

[northernladuk]

What a crock

FTFY