IR35 PS - So anyone had the discussion yet?

[eek]

Our networks team has around 23 out of 27 as contract staff.

The effect to I.T will be collosal if even half decide to suddenly move on.

Day to day maintenance or project based network enhancement work?

If its the former and there are any permanent staff doing that work everyone doing it needs to be out the door (just long enough for the effects to be obvious)...

[RonBW]

They pay your NI and tax on your behalf. They don't pay for it.

That only applies to employees NI and PAYE.

Shouldn't really affect their margins? Only your margins should be affected.

Employers NI needs to be paid by the agency.

[northernladuk]

That only applies to employees NI and PAYE.



Employers NI needs to be paid by the agency.

Indeed but I bet they'll make sure their margin isn't affected. We get paid a cut of their money so they'll make sure they are OK.

[runandbecome]

Day to day maintenance or project based network enhancement work?

If its the former and there are any permanent staff doing that work everyone doing it needs to be out the door (just long enough for the effects to be obvious)...

Its a bit of both but mainly there for the complete network upgrade which once improved would hand over to bau staff. They are a third of the way through the project. If they all walked it would be a disaster, some very specific skillets in there. I know because I helped try to find more staff and we went through the few that may be good enough for interview and many of these were chancers who didn't really know the subject and none of the permie staff had the skills.

[eek]

Indeed but I bet they'll make sure their margin isn't affected. We get paid a cut of their money so they'll make sure they are OK.

As someone pointed elsewhere it may depend on what your contract states - someone had a clause that said the agency could deduct tax if directed to do so...

[teapot418]

Indeed but I bet they'll make sure their margin isn't affected. We get paid a cut of their money so they'll make sure they are OK.

It really depends.

The 'payer' becomes liable for employers NI.

One imagines that the agency would seek to recoup that either from the rate they are paying the contractor, or by renegotiation with the client. Bear in mind the notice periods that have been discussed also apply to changes made by the agency - i.e. if the agent wants to reduce the contractor's rate, they are (in many cases) going to need to serve notice on the contract in the next couple of weeks to avoid April payments. If they are as clueless as has been suggested, many won't have even thought about it. As eek has said, many contracts will have something in to say that the agency can deduct any taxes incurred as a cost of the engagement.

[psychocandy]

Very much varies depending upon the amount of expenses you incur. If I'd been staying away and doing PS work, I'd definitely get the hell out of Dodge asap.

The expenses stopped some time ago due to 24 month rule....

[psychocandy]

And you're still weighing up your "options"

Did I say that? Nope.

I've told both AGENT and CLIENT that AS THINGS STAND I am not renewing and invited them to sort somethingout.

[psychocandy]

Just been shown a letter similar to the TFL one, that has went out to all the people I know working at the DWP.

The message is exactly the same at the TFL one asking people to bear with them as they clarify their position going forward.

Only one person I know now, is planning on staying there.

Think I'd prefer this. At least you know....

[psychocandy]

No he won't

Its looking that way. JSA here I come.