Results of the public sector consultation is up

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Which makes IPSE part of the problem. They're not going to advocate throwing people under the bus who should be while taking membership fees from them.

Go back and look at the my thread in General from November 23rd and the article courtesy of Orange Genie last week. (I suspect) IPSE are seen as part (possibly a big part) of the problem and not the solution..... So yes they are treated to meetings in Number 10 but that's probably as much to humour them or to listen and work out how to bypass them....

I will leave that particular topic here as I reckon that above is enough to really annoy the IPSE board....

[LondonManc]

Go back and look at the my thread in General from November 23rd and the article courtesy of Orange Genie last week. (I suspect) IPSE are seen as part (possibly a big part) of the problem and not the solution..... So yes they are treated to meetings in Number 10 but that's probably as much to humour them or to listen and work out how to bypass them....

I will leave that particular topic here as I reckon that above is enough to really annoy the IPSE board....

The thread that you linked to a few posts ago?

[northernladuk]

Which makes IPSE part of the problem. They're not going to advocate throwing people under the bus who should be while taking membership fees from them.

Correct.

[seeourbee]

I like the 12m rule myself. In 10 years of doing this I've never had a contract over that.

[MrMarkyMark]

Go back and look at the my thread in General from November 23rd and the article courtesy of Orange Genie last week. (I suspect) IPSE are seen as part (possibly a big part) of the problem and not the solution..... So yes they are treated to meetings in Number 10 but that's probably as much to humour them or to listen and work out how to bypass them....

I will leave that particular topic here as I reckon that above is enough to really annoy the IPSE board....

As I've said before I consider it a conflict of interests, their business model is pretty much selling insurances to people, against the very thing they are supposed to rally against.

One of the primary reasons I have never joined actually.

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According to this document.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...scussion-paper



temporary workplace defined as



That definition is precisely the same for a permie, a temp or a contractor.
But a permi breaks the 24 month rule as it's a permanent job.

Nope you are looking in the wrong place there. Temporary workplace is set within HMRC Travel and Subsistence documentation which I'm not going to linked to here. The logic however goes:-

If I get a permanent job in London I can't claim expenses to get into London.
If I take an IR35 covered contract in London my permanent base instantly becomes London.

Jobs inside IR35 are treated identically to being a permi for that is the default rule. The ability for us to call home our base is unique to consultancies (and even then not always) and contractors.

[malvolio]

Differs slightly from the text of the document.




The next trick is to get the PS site as a temporary workplace. How exactly a 6 month contract 100 miles away could be classed as a permanent workplace I'm not sure.

Have you not been paying attention? IR35 = no expenses. End of...

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The thread that you linked to a few posts ago?

Yep http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...anagement.html which I will grant is me gloating but heck I'm 2 up at the moment regardless of the rewards IPSE have won.....

[m0n1k3r]

Not quite. Under the CIS rules your company receives the money with all taxes already deducted. The company's only job is to transfer that taxed income to you as your pay.

Hence contract £110,000. income tax and NI withheld (say £45,000 I know its wrong its just an exampled). Your company receives £110,000-45,000= £65,000. As that income has already been taxed it can be paid directly to you as income.

So company profit = £0 (everything came as income), dividends possible from profits £0 (as the company hasn't made a profit),

All based on the false assumption that all contractors draw all company revenue as personal income. That might be true for construction workers, but is not necessarily so for knowledge workers.

[SueEllen]

Damn right. I know a "contractor" who has been doing what he's been doing for 10 years now. A contractor! Don't make me laugh. I have contracts that are 3m, 6m etc - proper contracting work. The long stayers have totally effed it up for a genuine industry.

Actually you can be a specialist contractor who has been on the same site for years. I know a few.

However in the case of the ones I know if they are full-time they either don't claim expenses and get schedules done for each package of work, OR know they fall under IR35.

Just because you do shorter contracts it doesn't mean you are more or less of a contractor than these people. It depends completely on the type of role you do.