Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[northernladuk]

Derogatory and generic reference to overseas workers shipped in under outsourcing agreements. Much quickness, plenty cheapness.

All started from this legend.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobshawadiwadi

Bob Shawadiwadi

[eek]

And the architect job has appeared. Rates a bit low for the person who knows how it works and can fix the immediate performance issues I'm aware of - but I'm sure that can be negotiated slightly....

And it's a CLone contract which the latest documents state is subject to supervision, direction and control.

Good luck trying to fill that role with someone who knows the systems. I don't trust the agency to handle putting everything from April 1 in my pension pot

[youngguy]

I received a call about a PS role for HMRC. The rate was 50% of the market rate (in the 200s) and stated it was via PAYE. I replied saying no chance and good luck finding anyone on that rate.

May be a one off but this seemed to show a rate decrease AND the tax hit via PAYE, so this possibly suggests they aren't even waiting for their own tax tool.

[westtester]

I've come across these low rates as well, I don't know if the rate restrictions used for NHS jobs are being applied to other areas?

[LondonManc]

I've come across these low rates as well, I don't know if the rate restrictions used for NHS jobs are being applied to other areas?

PS rates have been rubbish for years but you get 3 hours of work to do in 7 hours (allegedly).

[youngguy]

PS rates have been rubbish for years but you get 3 hours of work to do in 7 hours (allegedly).

Rates seemed to drop a bit when Capita got the majority of Gov a few years ago, so I started to see some in the high 300s.. this is the first time I've started to see rates in the 200s in London (for non help desk Stuff)

Interestingly I've had this same as a couple of times in the last week, so you wonder it they have had many/any applicants !

[Ketto]

I received a call about a PS role for HMRC. The rate was 50% of the market rate (in the 200s) and stated it was via PAYE. I replied saying no chance and good luck finding anyone on that rate.

May be a one off but this seemed to show a rate decrease AND the tax hit via PAYE, so this possibly suggests they aren't even waiting for their own tax tool.

It's complete madness. At my last PS place there were four contractors, me on a decent rate and the other three guys on a couple of hundered a day in an attempt to save money. They were all gone within 3 months, two for being useless and one who was good (it was his first contract) who worked out that he was being paid peanuts and went elsewhere. This was all while there were over 40 consultants in the next room from one of the big consultancies, costing hundereds of thousands a month and doing bugger all apart from wearing skinny jeans and doodling fancy agile cartoons to stick on the walls. It never seemed to occur to them that saving a few hundered a day on the four contractors wouldn't have much of a positive impact on their burn rate.

[boxingbantz]

I have a contract with a consultancy and I am carrying out a specific task for them at a defence site (which would be PS). The man in the middle is the agency. My contract is with the consultancy NOT the end client - I'm effectively an associate for this role.

I'm assuming this will be exempt from the rules as I'm not working for the public sector so to speak. I work for the consultancy and this is made very clear every day at work.

Am I correct in assuming this?

[northernladuk]

I have a contract with a consultancy and I am carrying out a specific task for them at a defence site (which would be PS). The man in the middle is the agency. My contract is with the consultancy NOT the end client - I'm effectively an associate for this role.

I'm assuming this will be exempt from the rules as I'm not working in the public sector so to speak - I'm working for a private company on an engagement for them which HAPPENS to be at a public sector site.

Is that correct?

It would depend on the engagement. A quick read of the consultancy document and how the scope is defined will give you enough information to look at your situation and make an educated guess.

It's impossible for us to say with that level of information.

[boxingbantz]

It would depend on the engagement. A quick read of the consultancy document and how the scope is defined will give you enough information to look at your situation and make an educated guess.

It's impossible for us to say with that level of information.

What I wanted to know was, the scope of the legislation, is it mainly at contractors who are directly working for the PS as end client with an agency/intermediary in the middle?