Sunday Solutions Anyone Else Having A Problem

[Babybadger]

All this is very worrying, I was with Sunday between April 6th 2007- Mayish 2009 , and I am very worried about approaching the Tax man to see if they have paid ANYTHING on my behalf.... Just because I signed my Tax return and sent it back, doesn't mean it didn't get thrown in the bin and the Tax not paid!

Now with Von Essen, who is also pulling out of the business from 1st feb 2010 and now I have to pay another accountant to do my return! So what have I paid these guys for?

Do I contact the HMRC? Or should I wait to see if the accounts come through the post? I will have to appoint a new accountant anyway.....

[Dr Pepper]

Where is the money???

After reading through all these feeds, there still seems to be one point missing... where is the money?

By the sounds of how much has been "retained" it's more than a couple of pennies. At a guess I'd have to say that this potentailly could be reaching if not exceeding a million pounds.

With potentially such large amounts being dealt it is unlikely they'd be sat in someone's bank account without raising his account managers suspicion.
Perhaps a more worrying scenario is that the money has been invested in assets. If this is the case, where the hell are these assets?

It's easy to see that our tax wasn't paid in January 2009 because there was no money in the accounts to pay it, and if they have invested it then the investments would have had no value around January 2009 to get the money together to pay our tax bills.

Another big point to note that it is not only our individual tax that was held, but our VAT was also controlled by Sunday/Bradbury. So lets pray that the VAT was dealt with and that the VAT man doesn't come calling asking for money as well as the tax man.

If you are being chased by the tax man, then there is bad news. After discussing the issue with an accountant we are completely liable for paying the tax, regardless of what agent we used to deal with our tax affairs.

Nyiri sounds like he's on the run and the police sound like they don't understand the system setup by Bradbury/Sunday in order to investigate it.

As for what crime's have been commited, ...[edited out] There must be someone who controlled the partnership bank accounts and must be the person(s) who were paying us.

[Babybadger]

After reading through all these feeds, there still seems to be one point missing... where is the money?

By the sounds of how much has been "retained" it's more than a couple of pennies. At a guess I'd have to say that this potentailly could be reaching if not exceeding a million pounds.

With potentially such large amounts being dealt it is unlikely they'd be sat in someone's bank account without raising his account managers suspicion.
Perhaps a more worrying scenario is that the money has been invested in assets. If this is the case, where the hell are these assets?

It's easy to see that our tax wasn't paid in January 2009 because there was no money in the accounts to pay it, and if they have invested it then the investments would have had no value around January 2009 to get the money together to pay our tax bills.

Another big point to note that it is not only our individual tax that was held, but our VAT was also controlled by Sunday/Bradbury. So lets pray that the VAT was dealt with and that the VAT man doesn't come calling asking for money as well as the tax man.

If you are being chased by the tax man, then there is bad news. After discussing the issue with an accountant we are completely liable for paying the tax, regardless of what agent we used to deal with our tax affairs.

Nyiri sounds like he's on the run and the police sound like they don't understand the system setup by Bradbury/Sunday in order to investigate it.

As for what crime's have been commited, There must be someone who controlled the partnership bank accounts and must be the person(s) who were paying us.

In these days when Banks and all and sundry ask 'where has the money come from ....? ' to counter Money Laundering......The truth is, None of the Official Bodies really give a "monkey's..."

As for the Fraud Squad, it's obviously too complicated for them, they should stick to easier stuff....

The HMRC will not care, they just want their money, and who can blame them..... I just want my money paid to them, as for this "profit share" stuff, is that not the money allocated to HMRC dressed in a different name?

But I have to reserve judgement until they have 'left me holding the baby' .....How do you guys know they have definitely not paid the money on your behalf?

Has the HMRC contacted you directly asking for the money?

I will appoint my own Solicitor/accountant on Friday to cover my bottom in this instance, before the letters drop on the carpet floor.....

[FeedtheKids]

I accepted my Bradbury accounts despite the Sunday Wealth Management overcharge on the basis that there is more chance of getting some money sooner rather than in 3-6 months time. However, I'm not confident about anything at all with these people. I will report back if I get anything (although if you are like me you probably take every newbie happy post that gets money from Bradbury as a Nyiri stooge!). I think the total sum of money involved here is massive and every communication is a deliberate stalling tactic from their master plan.

[Titanic]

Another big point to note that it is not only our individual tax that was held, but our VAT was also controlled by Sunday/Bradbury. So lets pray that the VAT was dealt with and that the VAT man doesn't come calling asking for money as well as the tax man.

Good point about the VAT. According to the HMRC website every partner in a partnership must sign their name, along with their National Insurance number, in a VAT 2 form when registering their partership for VAT. I don't recall having to do this when I joined Sunday but I might be wrong. Sunday Solutions / Bradbury should have been making regular VAT payments on behalf of the partnership as a whole (not on behalf of individual contractors).

Does anyone have any proof that any VAT has been paid on behalf of their partnership? I suppose we could call the HMRC and ask them, and they should just be able to tell us over the phone. I'm afraid to do this myself, for fear of what they'll say. If anyone has the guts to do this, then let please us know!

A sobering thought is that since this partnerships were not LLPs (limited liability), then we are all liable for the debts of the partnership as a whole. If the HMRC chose to persecute an individual partner for that partnership's VAT bill, then that would easily bankrupt anyone (forget about re-mortgaging.. it probably won't cover it!). Let's pray that HMRC goes after the fraudsters behind this scam, the acting partners and the brains behind the Sunday Solutions racket, rather than targeting the victims of this scam. Who knows what they'll do, and when.

[Rhines]

Vat

I could be wrong but thought the VAT was charged to the end client and paid by the recruitment agency. I am sure the VAT man would be chasing for 07/08 by now and HMRC advised my Partnership accounts were submitted for 07/08 and were in order. This is strange because I have come across others in my partnership who say they haven't been given any tax still for 07/08 so I can only assume they settled the bill themselves.

I'm not a legal expert but I'm not convinced I would be liable for the Partnership as a whole given the circumstances, don't know who the other partners are or have ever had contact with them. In my case I'm not even convinced I signed the Partnership agreement. My bank statements also show what I have received from the Willow Meade payment wise.

My understanding is that if my employment status was challenged by HMRC I may potentially have to repay tax on the expenses I claimed. Everything else was calculated the same as a person working PAYE.

Personally I think I would question the legitimacy of the Partnership and risk having HMRC investigate me rather than find myself responsible for huge VAT, Tax bills etc.

Just my thoughts....

[danvito]

Good point about the VAT.

I am banking on the fact we were invoicing through WillowMeade and WillowMeade were adding on the VAT, WillowMeade are liable for the VAT?

At no point did I ever include VAT in any invoice.

[Rhines]

Vat

Ignore part of the above post. I can see that Willow Meade did charge my agency VAT so will have to hope it was paid.

Willow Meades VAT Registration number is 907 5759 91.

[Titanic]

But Willow Meade are just an invoicing agency. They should have passed on the VAT to the Partnership, who would then have to pay the VAT to the HMRC.

This HMRC page shows the procedure for partnerships to register for VAT returns:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/reg...o-register.htm

So we really need the VAT registration numbers for the partnership, not for Willow Meade.

[Titanic]

My understanding is that if my employment status was challenged by HMRC I may potentially have to repay tax on the expenses I claimed. Everything else was calculated the same as a person working PAYE.

Just my thoughts....

Wouldn't they also ask for some more tax in the form of corporation tax? That would have to be paid if your employment status is deemed to be 'employed', since you'd pay that if running your own Ltd Company inside IR35.