Sunday Solutions Anyone Else Having A Problem

[Titanic]

Found one of Andrew's newly formed companies while I was digging around last week. Doesn't appear to be trading just yet though

What's the company name? Just post it here, then perhaps people might be warned about dealing with a company with such an unscrupulous director.

[Titanic]

All that said, there may be a defense we could mount against an IR35 challenge but it would require the cooperation of all partners in any partnership affected.

I think your IR35 employment status, if challenged, will ultimately depend more on the overall relationship between you and your end-client. The details of the "middle-agencies" involved in a IR35 investigation aren't as important as the "real arrangements" between you and your end-client. That's why the PCG advice to write a "real arrangements letter" between your end-client and yourself.

As such, I don't think we should turn this thread into a complicated discussion on IR35 (there are plenty of other threads for that).

In any case, if you are able to gather the information you seek (breakdowns of partnership costs, etc etc), you should probably do that anyways. I'm not sure how you can do that since Bradbury doesn't give it out, and since we are not given access to the acting partners directly. I'd love to have that information myself, and I've tried to get it for over a year, and I haven't succeeded.

For those who think that Bradbury's "silence" is still due to them being extremely busy, I urge you to wake up.

[Microtots'r'us]

I took out a partnership with Sunday's/Bradbury's and it was a very frustrating experience, all for a 3 month contract. This was in 2007 and it seems it's not over yet.

As a product it was mis-sold, they told me it was a limited company, very low fees, etc. It wasn't, they weren't and as far as I can see the only thing they did for their money was issue invoices, count expenses, and work out the tax. They didn't pay the tax or pass on any of the forms or NI contributions. I had to do it all myself.

I believe all the money except their fees came to me in the end but now I've got a letter saying they are winding up the partnership and there are Undistributed Profits. In my case it's not inconsiderable but the figure in the accounts is in brackets which usually indicates a negative figure. So I'm not sure whether they want me to pay them the money or whether they would pay it to me. I don't know where this figure comes from as I thought I received it all. They've asked me to approve the accounts online. I chose to not approve them as that seemed the safest.

Can anybody throw any light on this?

Anybody else in the Boelhouwer Torrence partnership?

Cheers

Gus

hi Gus
That figure in brackets says you owe the partnership money. You will be asked to pay it:
1. get a lawyer (sorry but IMHO you need proper legal advice)
2. ask for copies of the fiull partnership accounts for the period that you were there along with a full accounting of all charges and fees along with a breakdown
3 Ask for a full accounting for all transactions on your partnerships bank accounts in the period that you were a partner .
4 Confirmation HMRC VAT were told that you left that partnership.

until you get that in front of you and someone can independently tell you that it is OK -agree to nothing. If you get the alleged 'figures' that Bradbury are putting out I am told or had suggested to me that "you should before you "agree" them send an e-mail to [email protected] to the effect that you are accepting these figures only for the purpose of completing your tax return and that you 'reserve the right to seek explanation and information that may require this share of partnership to be adjusted" .
with the point being that you cannot really agree any settlement till you see the full partnership accounts as approved by all of the partners.

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[Microtots'r'us]

Agreed

I think your IR35 employment status, if challenged, will ultimately depend more on the overall relationship between you and your end-client. The details of the "middle-agencies" involved in a IR35 investigation aren't as important as the "real arrangements" between you and your end-client. That's why the PCG advice to write a "real arrangements letter" between your end-client and yourself.

As such, I don't think we should turn this thread into a complicated discussion on IR35 (there are plenty of other threads for that).

In any case, if you are able to gather the information you seek (breakdowns of partnership costs, etc etc), you should probably do that anyways. I'm not sure how you can do that since Bradbury doesn't give it out, and since we are not given access to the acting partners directly. I'd love to have that information myself, and I've tried to get it for over a year, and I haven't succeeded.

For those who think that Bradbury's "silence" is still due to them being extremely busy, I urge you to wake up.

I'm awake - I agree
unless all of the partners work together it won't work.
Thank you .
And if anyone thinks Bradbury will be around to help with HMRC enquiries read what they say about "winding down" in that unsigned letter of 6th November. That sounds like 'once we get you to swallow this tripe we are gone'.
So where are all of the files and records for all of these partners partnerships..........???????? There must be like a 1000 + partners and 60 odd partnerships at least . It must be a real truck load.
If they go missing or can't be produced to HMRC that is up to £3000 per year of a penalty per partner.
in an Enquiry its an initial £50 plus £30 per day
Never mind how much more tax Darling would get out of us if we were all not self-employed but employees
Screams

[NotImpressed]

Enough is enough

Ok... I'm going out of my mind here worrying about this. Every time I read this thread the situation seems to get worse.

The Bradbury Action Group seems to have fizzled out, and given what's at stake, we need to do something as a group or atleast get a plan in place.
Worst case scenario is we could be looking at a monumental tax bill with Bradbury not even prepared to cough up undistributed profits that wouldn't have covered it in the first place! Best case scenario is that Bradbury pay up and we just need to spend the next 6 years with fingers crossed hoping HMRC have bigger fish to fry and we slip through the IR35 net.

Is there any chance of all of us arranging to meet somewhere face to face and go through everything we know. Until we do and manage to come up with some sort of plan, I can't see us getting anywhere... or, if you're like me, getting any sleep!

What do people think? I'm prepared to meet anywhere at whatever time suits...

[FeedtheKids]

What's the company name? Just post it here, then perhaps people might be warned about dealing with a company with such an unscrupulous director.

JONES TILLEY AND CO. LTD formed 05/06/2009. 2 directors are Andrew and a new kid on the block called Jim Smith. Address is the inevitable Keynsham one.

On another point I believe somebody here mentioned a partnership called TSSP LLP, formerly TSMP LLP in an earlier post (I can't find it now) - out of interest was this partnership in any way connected to Sunday/Bradbury?

Also please could the Administrator add PM

[FeedtheKids]

In my case it's not inconsiderable but the figure in the accounts is in brackets which usually indicates a negative figure. So I'm not sure whether they want me to pay them the money or whether they would pay it to me.

Ironically your "gain" is probably somebody else's "loss" in your partnership

[Titanic]

JONES TILLEY AND CO. LTD formed 05/06/2009. 2 directors are Andrew and a new kid on the block called Jim Smith. Address is the inevitable Keynsham one.

On another point I believe somebody here mentioned a partnership called TSSP LLP, formerly TSMP LLP in an earlier post (I can't find it now) - out of interest was this partnership in any way connected to Sunday/Bradbury?

Also please could the Administrator add PM

Thanks FeedtheKids

TSSP LLP stands for "The Sunday Solutions Partnership LLP". The LLP at the end of the name stands for Limited Liability Partnership although, as far as I am aware, this was not a Limited Liability partnership but a general partnership.

There were many partnerships called TSSP LLP, they are numbered: e.g. TSSP 001, TSSP 002, TSSP 003, etc.

The TSSP naming convention was used until some points towards the end of 2007 / beginning 2008, when they switched to "Named Partnerships". I'd love to know what name-generating software or website they used for these named partnerships, but each one has a distinct, usually ridiculous, name.

I'm not aware of TSMP LLP. Either that existed before my time, or it is a typo.

Regards

[safcmike]

JONES TILLEY AND CO. LTD formed 05/06/2009. 2 directors are Andrew and a new kid on the block called Jim Smith. Address is the inevitable Keynsham one.

On another point I believe somebody here mentioned a partnership called TSSP LLP, formerly TSMP LLP in an earlier post (I can't find it now) - out of interest was this partnership in any way connected to Sunday/Bradbury?

Also please could the Administrator add PM

Yes I was in the TSSP partnership but it was closed down in 2008 sometime and I was moved into Whalley Prime.

Just recieved my Novemebr 5th letter today and its utter nonsense. Not a single figure on this sheet matches to any of the partnership statements they put into my tax returns. Also they claim an enormous payment to HMRC for 08/09 when in fact I resigned from the partnership in November 2008 and they paid me the left over retained tax to pay myself.

I also have the infamous figure on brackets of around 15K. This is patently ridiculous as they have tried to charge me fees from after I left the partnership plus the afore-mentioned tax rubbish.

I plan to refuse to accept these accounts and see what happens in dispute. I have enough evidence in emails to counter everything on these accounts.

[FeedtheKids]

Thanks FeedtheKids

TSSP LLP stands for "The Sunday Solutions Partnership LLP". The LLP at the end of the name stands for Limited Liability Partnership although, as far as I am aware, this was not a Limited Liability partnership but a general partnership.

There were many partnerships called TSSP LLP, they are numbered: e.g. TSSP 001, TSSP 002, TSSP 003, etc.

The TSSP naming convention was used until some points towards the end of 2007 / beginning 2008, when they switched to "Named Partnerships". I'd love to know what name-generating software or website they used for these named partnerships, but each one has a distinct, usually ridiculous, name.

I'm not aware of TSMP LLP. Either that existed before my time, or it is a typo.

Regards

I was curious about TSSP LLP on the Companies House website (OC316583) that had compulsory strike off suspended in August. Probably a completely unrelated company I guess?