Churchill Knight & Boox clients being investigated as Managed Service Companies

[Anvipa]

When in a hole, it usually pays to put the shovel down.

There is no need to twist my comments. I will add nothing further since I don't see the point

[eek]

There is no need to twist my comments. I will add nothing further since I don't see the point

No one here twisted your comments - we just pointed out that you don't need any qualifications (paper or otherwise) to call yourself an accountant.

Now you are correct that there are a number of accountancy, bookkeeping and payroll qualifications you can get but all of them allow you to add letters to your name or a prefix to the word accountant. They don't stop anyone just calling themselves an accountant and setting up shop as an accountancy firm.

[phonic22]

Hi all,

Got a couple of questions I would appreciate some help on...

For the 2017/2018 reg80 notice - After appealing via letter to HMRC I then sent another letter as a parallel activity to claim back CT and DT (advice from ck). I had a response for the reg80 appeal but nothing about the CT & DT reclaim. Has anyone else done the same and received a reply from HMRC on the latter or are they just not responding as the main focus is on the reg80?

If HMRC are not responding to the CT & DT do we still submit reclaims for the following tax years 18/19 & 19/20 to try and avoid double taxation? (i'm assuming so as no doubt there will be a sneaky time limit to submit a reclaim but this is something ck have not mentioned yet following their portal update on appeals documentation).

I will pose this question to them but wanted to ask the room also, cheers!

[VSCodeDude]

Hi all,

Got a couple of questions I would appreciate some help on...

For the 2017/2018 reg80 notice - After appealing via letter to HMRC I then sent another letter as a parallel activity to claim back CT and DT (advice from ck). I had a response for the reg80 appeal but nothing about the CT & DT reclaim. Has anyone else done the same and received a reply from HMRC on the latter or are they just not responding as the main focus is on the reg80?

If HMRC are not responding to the CT & DT do we still submit reclaims for the following tax years 18/19 & 19/20 to try and avoid double taxation? (i'm assuming so as no doubt there will be a sneaky time limit to submit a reclaim but this is something ck have not mentioned yet following their portal update on appeals documentation).

I will pose this question to them but wanted to ask the room also, cheers!

HMRC did not respond to my CT claim also, I'll still submit the claims for 18/19 & 19/20 but I don't think they will respond, what I'll do is have some proof that the letter was sent.

[GregRickshaw]

Hi all,

Got a couple of questions I would appreciate some help on...

For the 2017/2018 reg80 notice - After appealing via letter to HMRC I then sent another letter as a parallel activity to claim back CT and DT (advice from ck). I had a response for the reg80 appeal but nothing about the CT & DT reclaim. Has anyone else done the same and received a reply from HMRC on the latter or are they just not responding as the main focus is on the reg80?

If HMRC are not responding to the CT & DT do we still submit reclaims for the following tax years 18/19 & 19/20 to try and avoid double taxation? (i'm assuming so as no doubt there will be a sneaky time limit to submit a reclaim but this is something ck have not mentioned yet following their portal update on appeals documentation).

I will pose this question to them but wanted to ask the room also, cheers!

There is massive confusion at the moment regarding the Conditional claims. CT and DT.

Firstly the deadline to claim on CT had slipped by the time we got the 17/18 determination, which was unfair so HMRC then said they would allow the conditionals.

They then changed their minds so 'Too late to claim'

The last I knew they had reverted to allowing the Conditional Claims.

However to answer your question HMRC are not replying to the Conditional Claims at all, as they are not going to acknowledge/allow them until after Tribunal.

For your next set of determinations the time restraint for the conditionals is not so restrictive (ie not yet passed), so get your claims in, if you have an advisor HMRC should eventually acknowledge them through your advisor, if not then they will send you an email to confirm but don't expect it any time soon, just make sure you have recorded you have sent the claim.

Yes the fear here is double taxation, if double taxation is applied at the end of this then there will be a lot of folk asking for directions to the roof!

[Guy Incognito]

Got my brown letter today telling me I'm going to be getting more brown letters.

It says I can ask for a detailed breakdown of the calculations, but as I've been waiting seven months for the last breakdown I won't hold my breath.

[phonic22]

HMRC did not respond to my CT claim also, I'll still submit the claims for 18/19 & 19/20 but I don't think they will respond, what I'll do is have some proof that the letter was sent.

Thanks....luckily I've kept post office receipts of delivery! and will do the same again

[phonic22]

There is massive confusion at the moment regarding the Conditional claims. CT and DT.

Firstly the deadline to claim on CT had slipped by the time we got the 17/18 determination, which was unfair so HMRC then said they would allow the conditionals.

They then changed their minds so 'Too late to claim'

The last I knew they had reverted to allowing the Conditional Claims.

However to answer your question HMRC are not replying to the Conditional Claims at all, as they are not going to acknowledge/allow them until after Tribunal.

For your next set of determinations the time restraint for the conditionals is not so restrictive (ie not yet passed), so get your claims in, if you have an advisor HMRC should eventually acknowledge them through your advisor, if not then they will send you an email to confirm but don't expect it any time soon, just make sure you have recorded you have sent the claim.

Yes the fear here is double taxation, if double taxation is applied at the end of this then there will be a lot of folk asking for directions to the roof!

Thanks for this...im really hoping double taxation doesn't occur if we fall on the wrong side of this mess

[Menzan]

Hi,

Firstly thanks so much for everyone contributing to this Forum. I'm an ex-Boox client and currently Boox are not answering my emails or phone calls. Have now received two further Reg 80 notifications + the NIC demand (Ouch!). I'd already appealed the first in April (perhaps mistakenly via Boox - it was acknowledged by HMRC).

Is there any summary of what the best course of action should now be?

My understanding from reading here is that a) HMRC can now charge Interest (Base rate + 2.5%) on their claims against us (even if we appeal and get 'stood over') so b) it might be a good strategy to Pay-on-Account POA (if one can) until the result of the Tribunals.

I'm also hearing that it would be a good approach to make a 'Conditional Claim' to seek a rebate on Corporation Tax CT and Dividend Tax DT and to get proof of sending the claim into HMRC. How important is this?

I'm interested to understand what people think is the best approach? Would it be best to fight individually (many individual fights means a dilution of HMRC resources) vs. grouping-up into teams being represented by specialist tax advisors (or similar) where it could be more in HMRCs favour to fight aggressively (many contractors clobbered in one blow).

I'm struggling to find details about which specialist tax advisors are offering their services and knowledge to advise us former Boox and Churhill Knight contracting clients. Would be keen to hear any recommendations or any thoughts on what others believe is the best route forward here.

[eek]

Hi,

Firstly thanks so much for everyone contributing to this Forum. I'm an ex-Boox client and currently Boox are not answering my emails or phone calls. Have now received two further Reg 80 notifications + the NIC demand (Ouch!). I'd already appealed the first in April (perhaps mistakenly via Boox - it was acknowledged by HMRC).

Is there any summary of what the best course of action should now be?

My understanding from reading here is that a) HMRC can now charge Interest (Base rate + 2.5%) on their claims against us (even if we appeal and get 'stood over') so b) it might be a good strategy to Pay-on-Account POA (if one can) until the result of the Tribunals.

I'm also hearing that it would be a good approach to make a 'Conditional Claim' to seek a rebate on Corporation Tax CT and Dividend Tax DT and to get proof of sending the claim into HMRC. How important is this?

I'm interested to understand what people think is the best approach? Would it be best to fight individually (many individual fights means a dilution of HMRC resources) vs. grouping-up into teams being represented by specialist tax advisors (or similar) where it could be more in HMRCs favour to fight aggressively (many contractors clobbered in one blow).

I'm struggling to find details about which specialist tax advisors are offering their services and knowledge to advise us former Boox and Churhill Knight contracting clients. Would be keen to hear any recommendations or any thoughts on what others believe is the best route forward here.

HMRC resources are so threadbare fighting individually won't make any difference.

What happens now is test cases and from that result at least 1 level of appeals.