UKIP!

[Flashman]

Lots of reasons to hate London.

Just add another one.


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Strength in Diversity!

Enjoy....

[doodab]

Or is that the knowledge economy that teaches us to surrender and dilute democratic accountabilty to a far away bunch of lawyer trained bureaucrats with an obsession for rules and control?

It worked quite well for the empire didn't it.

[DodgyAgent]

You're clearly of the UKIP demographic.
Good luck.
You should ask what their policy is for dealing with the 50% of people (of which you are one) who are unable/will be unable to thrive in an increasingly complicated knowledge economy.
It's no laughing matter.

And if you think you are safe being in the other 50% then you can think again:

Wired 8.04: Why the future doesn't need us.

First let us postulate that the computer scientists succeed in developing intelligent machines that can do all things better than human beings can do them. In that case presumably all work will be done by vast, highly organized systems of machines and no human effort will be necessary. Either of two cases might occur. The machines might be permitted to make all of their own decisions without human oversight, or else human control over the machines might be retained.

Mind you in your case a replacement has already been found

[vetran]

No he didn't. He said half a million people settled here and that is simply not true.

they did settle here, 300,000 left to settle in other countries that means a net population gain of 200,000.

do we need charts and diagrams?

I also dispute that the arrivals was only 500,000 as we have no method for counting them, New Lie stopped that while they went out and searched for immigrants.

[sasguru]

Lots of reasons to hate London.

Just add another one.


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Strength in Diversity!

Enjoy....

Keep out of London.
You're not bright enough to make a good living here.

[doodab]

they did settle here, 300,000 left to settle in other countries that means a net population gain of 200,000.

do we need charts and diagrams?

I also dispute that the arrivals was only 500,000 as we have no method for counting them, New Lie stopped that while they went out and searched for immigrants.

Clearly you do. 500,000 people came here. Of those, perhaps 250,000-300,000 came to settle or will eventually do so. The rest will go on their merry way.

[DodgyAgent]

Lots of reasons to hate London.

Just add another one.


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Vote UKIP

[vetran]

Clearly you do. 500,000 people came here. Of those, perhaps 250,000-300,000 came to settle or will eventually do so. The rest will go on their merry way.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_335330.pdf

no 500,000 came to settle this they work out by the type of visa they had.

They may only settle for a few years, therefore some of the people in that leave may be made up of previous immigrants. However their intention is to settle.

300,000 different people leave. therefore 800,000 people change.

you are saying because the difference is 200,000 then that is all that counts. Its not. You suggest its a visit not settlement but the analysis by ONS shows different people come to the ones that leave.

I'm saying that the fact 500,000 settle is a fact (as did Farage). You may say that the population only grows by 200,000 so its not 500,000 settling but that is patently obviously wrong.

have a look at where they come from and where they go to, there is an obvious disparity. Most people emigrate to Australia & USA but most come from India & China.

so they don't tend to come & leave. Some come some leave and 800,000 people are different.

[doodab]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_335330.pdf

no 500,000 came to settle this they work out by the type of visa they had.

They may only settle for a few years, therefore some of the people in that leave may be made up of previous immigrants. However their intention is to settle.

Your link says

202,000 people arrived for work in the year ending June 2013, now once again the most
common reason for immigration, overtaking formal study for the first time since 2009. 176,000
people arrived for study

Students are not settling here. Most workers are not settling here.

you are saying because the difference is 200,000 then that is all that counts. Its not.

No I'm not. I'm saying that most of the 500,000 are only here for a couple of years, not settling. I would define settling as setting up on a permanent or semi-permanent basis. Clearly in your mind anything more than a two week holiday counts.

You suggest its a visit not settlement but the analysis by ONS shows different people come to the ones that leave.

No, I'm saying there is a grey area between a flying visit and setting up life permanently that about half of this 500,000 figure falls into.

The ONS have a breakdown of the people leaving. It's table 4 in the excel dataset you can download. About 110,000 non-british former immigrants who originally came here for work leave per year. Those people didn't settle. Around 70,000 non-british students leave per year. Those people didn't settle. About another 40,000 non-british people who came here for some other reason (with a spouse, or no reason given) leave per year. Those people didn't settle either. That's 220,000 foreign people a year who come here and stay for a bit but don't settle here.

The ONS figures run from year to year and are concerned with people who are here for some time so of course they are going to show different people arriving and leaving. Most students are going to be here for 3 years, and many migrant workers come for more than a year.

I'm saying that the fact 500,000 settle is a fact (as did Farage). You may say that the population only grows by 200,000 so its not 500,000 settling but that is patently obviously wrong.

Not unless you define settling as anything longer than a fortnights holiday I'm not talking about net migration at all, I'm simply pointing out that most of the 500,000 people who come here don't settle. By saying that 500,000 people settle here you are basically saying that literally everybody who comes here settles here, and that is clearly not true of a significant number of them.

have a look at where they come from and where they go to, there is an obvious disparity. Most people emigrate to Australia & USA but most come from India & China. So they don't tend to come & leave. Some come some leave and 800,000 people are different.

This is distorted because you are including British people who emigrate to Oz or the US. Most international emigrants (>90% of them) are returning from whence they came.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...r68-report.pdf

Non-British citizens emigrating from the UK between 2001 and 2010 were mainly returning
home to the area they came from. For example, over 90 per cent of EU8 citizens were going
to EU8 countries and over 90 per cent of Old Commonwealth citizens were going to Old
Commonwealth countries. Around 85 per cent of EU15 citizens were returning to EU15 countries
with some going to other areas, particularly to Australia, European countries outside the EU and
the USA. Over 85 per cent of those with New Commonwealth citizenship were returning to New
Commonwealth countries, particularly to the Indian sub-continent although some others were
migrating to the USA, Australia, Canada and the Middle East (Table A3.2).

and most of them weren't here for very long

Of those non-British migrants who emigrated from the UK in 2010, nearly three-quarters (72%)
were leaving within four years of arriving in the UK and only eight per cent had been in the UK for
ten years or more (ONS, 2011).

[doodab]

BTW that 500,000 figure includes British citizens returning from abroad. The true inflow of foreigners coming here is about 450,000.