More Farage wisdom

[sasguru]

Not sure if you know this... but not everyone lives in London.

London is the UK's big economic driver.
Without it we become something like Spain.

[Old Greg]

London is the UK's big economic driver.
Without it we become something like Spain.

Keep AGW out of this thread. The UKIP-ers don't believe in it.

[Ticktock]

Wouldn't it be better to have a popular vote? It's hard to argue with that.

How would a popular vote help? We're not looking for a popular opinion with this question, we're looking for an answer to the question "What makes X effective - is it because of condition Y or not?" That should be a quasi-scientific bit of research.

Even taking that point that public opinion is part of what makes the monarchy effective at what they do, a large part of that is not the public opinion of the UK proles and plebs, it's the opinon of them there foreign proles and plebs, along with the "aristocracy" (or local equivalent) in far off lands (like ruling Arab familes, African warlords, and whatnot).

[vetran]

So what you're trying to sell me is a system that might give me permission to do something that I'm already free to do?

hey if it were easy it would be sorted by now.

In every solution there are winners and losers, currently you are a winner. In the new system as SAS points out the Freedom to move skilled workers is important so you will probably still be a winner you might have to do a bit more paperwork though but being the man you are I'm sure you can manage it.

[darmstadt]

So what's your answer to the question? Why does the EU work for me and darmstadt, and not for you, seeing as you're the one who said you don't feel it's working for you?

Because the Daily Whatever said so

[Mich the Tester]

hey if it were easy it would be sorted by now.

In every solution there are winners and losers, currently you are a winner. In the new system as SAS points out the Freedom to move skilled workers is important so you will probably still be a winner you might have to do a bit more paperwork though but being the man you are I'm sure you can manage it.

So you want to replace 'certainly' with 'probably'?

Hmm, I'm not sold on that.

Anyway, when I moved here I was an unskilled worker and have gained skills since being here (finished my degree on the OU and then did professional qualifications); why should others not have that opportunity?

[Old Greg]

How would a popular vote help? We're not looking for a popular opinion with this question, we're looking for an answer to the question "What makes X effective - is it because of condition Y or not?" That should be a quasi-scientific bit of research.

Even taking that point that public opinion is part of what makes the monarchy effective at what they do, a large part of that is not the public opinion of the UK proles and plebs, it's the opinon of them there foreign proles and plebs, along with the "aristocracy" (or local equivalent) in far off lands (like ruling Arab familes, African warlords, and whatnot).

So why would we need a vote to stay in the EU?

[Old Greg]

hey if it were easy it would be sorted by now.

In every solution there are winners and losers, currently you are a winner. In the new system as SAS points out the Freedom to move skilled workers is important so you will probably still be a winner you might have to do a bit more paperwork though but being the man you are I'm sure you can manage it.

Testers are not winners.

[Gittins Gal]

Which is why we shouldn't have a referendum. If turkeys will actually vote for Christmas, then where does that leave us?

I once knew Ukrainian girl. Her name was Laika.

We met in Italy not long after the break up of the Soviet Union.

She was bemoaning the fact that her father who worked at the local mine hadn't been paid for months, they had no money and had to rely on handouts. Previously they had been fairly well off and didn't have too much to worry about in a materialistic sense even if their living standards were a little basic compared to the west.

So, I asked Laika if she'd like a return to the old days. Just the fact that I'd asked the question made her rather angry. Of course not! Rather be free and broke than return to the tyranny of the Soviet Union.

And that's where I come from. Freedom is everything.

[sasguru]

And a decent visa system wouldn't allow that?

There is already a visa system (bad or good) for non-EU nationals.
So really we're talking about EU citizens here - you want them to be visa controlled.
This adds to costs and headaches for employers and employees alike.
They're then more likely to simply expand their Frankfurt office at the expense of London rather than deal with the inevitable headaches.
This happened in Switzerland, e.g. Credit Suisse expanded their London office due to the difficulty of getting the right staff in Switzerland where there is an extensive bureaucracy for EU nationals to jump through hoops.