The official "World War ]i[" thread

[suityou01]

You never asked a question. Why are you looking for an answer?

I don't think there is anyone who doesn't accept it's a European problem. As for having the potential to "suck Europe into a conflict" you're basically talking about a full scale Russian invasion of Europe, and whether they come through Ukraine or straight over the Polish border I don't think that is any more or less likely than it was three weeks ago.

So my question remains, you claim we need a military response and are "losing time". What would you suggest?

Pop a couple of allied warships within range. At least show willing. Walk softly but carry big stick and all that. Over Syria Obama blinked. Now he's just got his head in the sand.

Try and see this for what it is. A show of might by Mother Russia. The greatest super power on the planet is still wandering around with "Kick me" written on it's back while Russia prowls the corridors knicking dinner money and picking on the wimpy kids.

[MyUserName]

Pop a couple of allied warships within range. At least show willing. Walk softly but carry big stick and all that. Over Syria Obama blinked. Now he's just got his head in the sand.

Try and see this for what it is. A show of might by Mother Russia. The greatest super power on the planet is still wandering around with "Kick me" written on it's back while Russia prowls the corridors knicking dinner money and picking on the wimpy kids.

I do not know an awful lot about this but surely if we show our teeth in this situation we are at risk of having our bluff called?

Putin is going take the Crimea or whatever, provide some diplomatic reasons as to why it is not, technically, an invasion and then sit there. He will probably have some Ukrainian puppets agree with him so everyone has an excuse to do nothing.

If we start pushing back the puppets will cry how we are causing tension and Russia will have an excuse to push further forward to 'support it's ally' and we end up closer to a situation.

It I were Putin I would take what I wanted whilst insisting I was doing nothing wrong etc. but I would be careful not to actually take anything that the European and US leaders could not ignore.

[Goatfell]

Question for CMD

Surely our best response has to be to send Alex Salmond over there to plea for independence for the Crimera, the Ukraine will be united faster than you can say King fatty

Now, if the Yes vote wins the referendum, does the panel think that rUK government would consider the annexation :nazif "certain areas", say Gareloch for instance, to protect the rights of the rUK (substantial) minority in the area

[GreyWolf]

You never asked a question. Why are you looking for an answer?

I don't think there is anyone who doesn't accept it's a European problem. As for having the potential to "suck Europe into a conflict" you're basically talking about a full scale Russian invasion of Europe, and whether they come through Ukraine or straight over the Polish border I don't think that is any more or less likely than it was three weeks ago.





So my question remains, you claim we need a military response and are losing time. What would you suggest?

That'd put paid to my client's plans for moving work to its Polish development centre so it's not all bad - "every cloud" and all that.

[doodab]

Pop a couple of allied warships within range. At least show willing. Walk softly but carry big stick and all that. Over Syria Obama blinked. Now he's just got his head in the sand.

That isn't going to be taken seriously unless Putin believes we're going to use them, and if we did plan to use them a small deployment of a couple of warships wouldn't stand a chance given the strength of the Black Sea Fleet.

It would take a large scale Naval deployment (i.e. two or more carrier battle groups) to stand a realistic chance of winning any battle.

Try and see this for what it is. A show of might by Mother Russia.

I don't think anyone is disputing that. The point is it's a pretty serious show of strength, involving about the same number of troops as the US put on the ground in Iraq.

Military posturing isn't going to be taken seriously unless it's on a scale sufficient to be the prelude to an all out war. That risks escalating what is currently a small scale land grab and likely to remain so into something much more serious.

[The Spartan]

It seems to me that the Ukraine is obviously divided with one faction being pro EU and the other pro Russian so just split the country up and let them go about their business otherwise is going to be very bloody indeed.

[AtW]

It seems to me that the Ukraine is obviously divided with one faction being pro EU and the other pro Russian so just split the country up and let them go about their business otherwise is going to be very bloody indeed.

Putins invasion united many factions - including those in Russian speaking side of Ukraine.

"Just split" the country is what UK was trying with appeasing Hitler, did not work particularly well.

[Troll]

Putins invasion united many factions - including those in Russian speaking side of Ukraine.

"Just split" the country is what UK was trying with appeasing Hitler, did not work particularly well.

Worked for Pakistan & India

[suityou01]

That isn't going to be taken seriously unless Putin believes we're going to use them, and if we did plan to use them a small deployment of a couple of warships wouldn't stand a chance given the strength of the Black Sea Fleet.

It would take a large scale Naval deployment (i.e. two or more carrier battle groups) to stand a realistic chance of winning any battle.



I don't think anyone is disputing that. The point is it's a pretty serious show of strength, involving about the same number of troops as the US put on the ground in Iraq.

Military posturing isn't going to be taken seriously unless it's on a scale sufficient to be the prelude to an all out war. That risks escalating what is currently a small scale land grab and likely to remain so into something much more serious.

So better to straighten the deck chairs on the titanic then?

[The Spartan]

Putins invasion united many factions - including those in Russian speaking side of Ukraine.

"Just split" the country is what UK was trying with appeasing Hitler, did not work particularly well.

Either way the public in the US and UK are fed up military action/conflicts so I can't see it being a popular option to send any troops whatsoever, in actual fact both countries are trying to scale down their forces and if previous conflicts have taught us anything it is that there is no winner at the end.