Support for Scottish independence rises after London warns on pound

[MyUserName]

Of course they should have a vote, it's their home as it was mine. The difference between someone who has moved there 6 months ago and myself being the product of many generations of birthright is not the same however.

So how will it be done? Do you need to have lived there for the past 5 years or something?

My wife is from Bath, our Children born in Munich. Three of us have the automatic right to a Scottish passport. No one is saying anything about giving up UK passports.

Why not? If Scotland becomes a separate country why should it's citizens automatically get UK passports? If the countries are separate then this would make as much sense (at least to me) as Scotland passing the Yes vote and demanding French passports in addition to the Scottish ones.

Of those Germans I've spoken with no one thinks for a minute those from Scotland that had the right to work here one minute and be ejected tomorrow would ever happen. It's utter tosh.

I cannot see it happening either. However, if Scotland becomes a separate country with separate citizenship then wouldn't those citizens have to go through the various diplomatic channels to determine residency? Surely they cannot just piggy back off the UK arrangements, they have voluntarily left the UK?

(Not trolling you, I am honestly not sure how this works but it does not seem to make sense to me that it works in the way you are describing unless the UK offer some kind of halfway stage concession).

[doodab]

(Not trolling you, I am honestly not sure how this works but it does not seem to make sense to me that it works in the way you are describing unless the UK offer some kind of halfway stage concession).

I don't think that's for the UK to do TBH, anymore than an Indian coming here gets an automatic right to work in the EU. I think the Scots would need to negotiate their own open borders arrangement with the rest of the EU / Schengen visa area, not unlike the Swiss have done.

[MyUserName]

I don't think that's for the UK to do TBH, anymore than an Indian coming here gets an automatic right to work in the EU. I think the Scots would need to negotiate their own open borders arrangement with the rest of the EU / Schengen visa area, not unlike the Swiss have done.

That is what makes sense to me but Scooter seems to be saying that the new Scottish citizens will have the same international rights as the UK ones in terms of Visas, residency etc. Unless I am misunderstanding him?

[doodab]

That is what makes sense to me but Scooter seems to be saying that the new Scottish citizens will have the same international rights as the UK ones in terms of Visas, residency etc. Unless I am misunderstanding him?

I think that might be what he is saying yes. I don't think he or the SNP realise that when you have a new country everything is up for grabs and these things depend just as much on what the other side of each relationship thinks as on what you might wish for.

I personally don't think it's even in the UK's power to ensure that Scottish citizens have the same rights as UK ones on the international stage, I don't see how it could be. It seems like more wishful thinking.

[vetran]

its like kids moving out of home and expecting to live in a house of the same standard rent free with their meals cooked for them. With change comes some compromise.

[MicrosoftBob]

I think that might be what he is saying yes. I don't think he or the SNP realise that when you have a new country everything is up for grabs and these things depend just as much on what the other side of each relationship thinks as on what you might wish for.

I personally don't think it's even in the UK's power to ensure that Scottish citizens have the same rights as UK ones on the international stage, I don't see how it could be. It seems like more wishful thinking.

I'm sure the EU would have more say over it than the UK government, so it probably depends on how grumpy Spain will be over it

[doodab]

I'm sure the EU would have more say over it than the UK government, so it probably depends on how grumpy Spain will be over it

Well you also have to think about the US, commonwealth countries, places like Hong Kong and so on. Also there are all those international organisations like ISO and so on to join. There is going to be a lot of work.

[scooterscot]

There will be a default option based on place of birth perhaps.

Personally I think the choice would need to be offered to everyone of Scottish birth, whether they had a vote or not, as clearly some of them would have voted no and might prefer to remain UK citizens.

Your best bet would be to ask Mr Salmond, I'm sure he has a plan

So wait a minute. First Mr Salmond was told by Eton & co a referendum based on birthplace would be illegal. So it was adapted to residents. Now I'm told I could be ejected from the UK citizenship because of my identity for something I did not vote for?

Hypocrites & fascists.

[doodab]

So wait a minute. First Mr Salmond was told by Eton & co a referendum based on birthplace would be illegal. So it was adapted to residents. Now I'm told I could be ejected from the UK citizenship because of my identity for something I did not vote for?

Hypocrites & fascists.

That sounds like a no to independence to me

I think you should be offered a choice, but I don't think those of Scottish birth should be offered dual citizenship, that should be for people with a legitimate claim like an English grandparent and sporting talent that we need.

[MicrosoftBob]

So wait a minute. First Mr Salmond was told by Eton & co a referendum based on birthplace would be illegal. So it was adapted to residents. Now I'm told I could be ejected from the UK citizenship because of my identity for something I did not vote for?

Hypocrites & fascists.

Hang on I thought you wanted to be independent. why would you want UK citizenship if you don't want to be a part of the UK

Isn't that hypocritical ?