We should all urge Scots to stay in Scotland

[DodgyAgent]

The world ..the whole wide world, will heap scorn upon the Government in power that sees the scottish part of the union break free from the rest of the UK.

Sorry to disappoint you but the "whole wide world" will simply say "what is Scotland" and as far as your dreams of a post UK Utopia then the Scots will only vote for socialist governments and these sorts of governments never enrich any country or community.
Meanwhile the UK will have Tory governments that will at least keep the country solvent.

[scooterscot]

Yes, naive Scots like you should bugger off and do your own thing.

The truth is you won't, sadly, because you know that then you'll have no-one to moan at except yourselves.

I did bugger off, long time ago, like many others from that land seeking fortune & glory elsewhere. It's the Tory way, deprive an area so much people have no option but to move away to look for work. I just hope the poor buggers that could not move away take the opportunity for change.

[scooterscot]

the Scots will only vote for socialist governments and these sorts of governments never enrich any country or community. .

Go on, spread the good word to the Swedes why not?

English, you have some pretty screwed up impressions of what it means to enrich a community.

[doodab]

It's most unhealthy for England to be supported on one region and then that same region complain when other regions do not pull their weight.

I agree, that's why I think losing scotland will do the UK good. A lot of public and private money is invested in scotland, because they make a lot of noise. If we no longer need to keep them sweet that can go to the english regions instead, esp he NE and NW, it will help rebalance things, which is desperately needed.

[doodab]

What investment? Scotland & the North of England have been screaming out over this unfair disparity for years. What a wasted opportunity having the Olympics in London, why not another region of the UK that's screaming for investment? All we hear is debate for more billions to be spent on London, HS2, 3rd runway for Heathrow, cross rail, the list goes on..

Arguments in support of a better together are long lost. It takes years to build trust, not seven months. Trust in Westminster governments has reached new lows these past decades.

I'm not arguing in favour of a better together. I'm arguing that there will be a short term loss but long term gain for a UK without scotland.

There is a lot of investment in scotland. Military, sustainable energy, all the stuff that no one else wants on their doorstep ends up there.

[scooterscot]

I agree, that's why I think losing scotland will do the UK good. A lot of public and private money is invested in scotland, because they make a lot of noise. If we no longer need to keep them sweet that can go to the english regions instead, esp he NE and NW, it will help rebalance things, which is desperately needed.

Losing makes it sound it was owned in the first place. You're not losing, you're driving others away.

As someone has already pointed out it'll cost the rUK more than will be saved if Scotland leaves the union. Not exactly a recipe for prosperity & investment.

[doodab]

Go on, spread the good word to the Swedes why not?

English, you have some pretty screwed up impressions of what it means to enrich a community.

That's DA, hardly representitive of all English views. I for one would disagree with him wholeheartedly. Governments of all stripes routinely fail to balance the books, and many countries benefit greatly from their brand of socialism. It's only really here where it's a dirty word.

[minestrone]

In the short term, yes, uk will be slightly worse of financially. This will change as uk military interests are relocated to the remainder of the uk and as investment that might previously have gone to scotland is made elsewhere in the uk instead.

Yes, I'm not disagreeing that you can spend a bigger percentage of your money on England but the public spending cost per person for England will rise, you wont make up in savings what you lose in income from Scotland and still maintain everything you have at the moment. That will not reduce in the long term, running 2 houses is always going to be more costly due to duplication of effort.

On top of that Scotland is the most prosperous region outwith the south east so if you are losing something above the average your average will drop.

[doodab]

As someone has already pointed out it'll cost the rUK more than will be saved if Scotland leaves the union. Not exactly a recipe for prosperity & investment.

Have you actually understood any of what I've said or are you so blinded by numptyism that you interpreted it all as an argument in favour of keeping the union?

Once again. The UK will be worse off financially in the short term (though this is marginal.and depends very much on oil revenue and debt share allocation), I'm not disputing that, but I believe there will be long term benefits from Scotland leaving. I'm not arguing for (or against for that matter) keeping the union, just saying we'll be better off without you in the long run.

Then we just need to get rid of wales and NI.

[doodab]

Yes, I'm not disagreeing that you can spend a bigger percentage of your money on England but the public spending cost per person for England will rise, you wont make up in savings what you lose in income from Scotland and still maintain everything you have at the moment. That will not reduce in the long term, running 2 houses is always going to be more costly due to duplication of effort.

On top of that Scotland is the most prosperous region outwith the south east so if you are losing something above the average your average will drop.

But that assumes the status quo. Currently scotland's presence adds to deprivation in the poorer regions, in the same way as london's does, by attracting investment that could go elsewhere. There is no reason why the NW for example couldn't become a financial services centre to rival edinburgh, and once edinburgh is removed from the 'market' it becomes a lot easier for that to happen.

I also think there will be a short term stimulus as work is done separating the two countries. It will be quite expensive. Plus it will change the political landscape in the UK, probably for the best.