What exactly are the UKIP policies?

[Flashman]

I know that but these funds that are allocated to parties like the BNP don't just allow them to get voted into what you think of as insignificant political posts but they allow them to fund their radical views at a local level causing discontent within a community, in fact via these insignificant elections it gives them greater influence.

If you looked at the list that I provided then you'll notice that quite a few of those parties are quite powerful in their home countries, even today the leader of the Hungarian Joppik party gave a speech in London today, who also receive these funds are in fact the 3rd largest party in Hungary. By condoning the use of these funds, then parties like the UKIP are condoning extreme right-wing views.

Two questions.

1. As a self proclaimed anarchist (?) why do you like the EU? It's one of the most bureaucratic systems of Government in the world.

http://www.openeurope.org.uk/Content...DFs/acquis.pdf

If all the legislation the EU has passed were laid out lengthways it would be over 120 miles long. Along the M1 it would stretch from London all the way past Nottingham. Even if we just account for the amount of EU legislation currently in force, at 31.7 miles it stretches even further than a marathon and would take the average person more than four hours to run along

2. Your German (?) It appears you really, really care if Britain leaves the EU. I mean the attention is flattering but slightly weird. Why do you care?

[xoggoth]

to fund their radical views at a local level causing discontent within a community, in fact via these insignificant elections it gives them greater influence

The far right are always blamed for causing discontent/division but they are almost never the true cause in the UK, which is genuine concerns being constantly dismissed as racism or xenophobia and remaining unaddressed.

People blame them for spikes in anti-Muslim attacks for example but the actual cause is failure to tackle the Islamic radicals. What caused the spike a few months back, something an EDL leader said? No, it was a Muslim guy beheading one of our soldiers!

[Flashman]

I know that but these funds that are allocated to parties like the BNP don't just allow them to get voted into what you think of as insignificant political posts but they allow them to fund their radical views at a local level causing discontent within a community, in fact via these insignificant elections it gives them greater influence.

If you looked at the list that I provided then you'll notice that quite a few of those parties are quite powerful in their home countries, even today the leader of the Hungarian Joppik party gave a speech in London today, who also receive these funds are in fact the 3rd largest party in Hungary. By condoning the use of these funds, then parties like the UKIP are condoning extreme right-wing views.

Its called democracy.

Perhaps instead a strong central Government made up of tough men who could take the hard decisions?

A Government that didn't bow to the people's demands. But imposed its own true beliefs on the people?*





*Not saying its wrong. Am available for contracts from this New European Government. Reasonable rates. No questions asked.

[darmstadt]

Its called democracy.

Perhaps instead a strong central Government made up of tough men who could take the hard decisions?

A Government that didn't bow to the people's demands. But imposed its own true beliefs on the people?*


*Not saying its wrong. Am available for contracts from this New European Government. Reasonable rates. No questions asked.

Oh ,you want to go and live in Russia (or Ukraine) then?

[xoggoth]

When you look at some parts of Europe, it is clear that their far right parties are more extreme than ours and certainly far more anti-Semitic. Looking at recent news regarding parties in Hungary and Golden Dawn in Greece it would seem that the left are well aware of this fact and think representatives should be banned from the UK.

Yet they are in favour of free migration? Isn't this a little contradictory? Any mention of any actual problems with migrants, despite the undoubted realities of poorer nations such as crime and corruption, poor health, unacceptable cultural practices or religious conservatism, is denounced as xenophobic, yet the idea that such countries could have a "far right" culture is readily accepted.

Free migration for the left seems to mean only when it suits their ideas.

[KentPhilip]

Just out of interest, can anyone defend this decision made by the UKIP:

UKIP back racist BNP in quest for £335,000 European funding | Political Scrapbook

Also their membership of the EFD: Home. The only reason I'm asking about this is because many of the other member parties are well known to be extremely right wing, verging upon fascist parties. Admittedly the Tory EU party and Labour also have some strange bedfellows but not as strange as these...

I suspect this is about UKIP wanting to protect themselves from future discrimination should they themselves be "deemed" to be an extreme party by the EU. It is not in UKIP's interest to support the BNP for any other reasons.

[vetran]

I suspect this is about UKIP wanting to protect themselves from future discrimination should they themselves be "deemed" to be an extreme party by the EU. It is not in UKIP's interest to support the BNP for any other reasons.

Agree - As with the police being banned from joining the BNP (a legal UK party even if they are a bunch of racist thugs) the selection of who is a valid party should only be done on legal and evidence based grounds. Anything else is the thin end of the wedge and smells of the NAZI's & Communists closing opposition parties because they didn't agree with the party line.

If the BNP are breaking the law then lock them up, we will all cheer! If not you have to treat them like any other political organisation.

So UKIP are probably holding their nose but they have to so what is right even if it doesn't look nice.

[darmstadt]

There was a vote this week in the EU in Brussels to deal with auditing of funds, specifically "Are tools in place to monitor the effectiveness of European Social Fund spending on Older Workers" which is something the UKIP are very keen on. Why then did the UKIP MEP Derek Clark vote against it:

Finally, a debate and vote on, "Are tools in place to monitor the effectiveness of European Social Fund spending on Older Workers", which arose from the Auditors Special report. Adopted it by 33 to 2 without even offering me a slice of the Social Fund! So mine was one of the 2 votes against.

This is the report if anyone is interested: http://eca.europa.eu/portal/pls/port...1/21340769.PDF

[amcdonald]

Is it to send gays to Africa when there is a drought ?

[darmstadt]

Do UKIP members remember the Referendum Party? Also led by a slightly strange person, James Goldsmith:

Goldsmith mailed five million homes with a VHS tape expressing his ideas. It has been suggested he planned to broadcast during the election from his offshore pirate Referendum Radio station

They also didn't win much:

In the general election the Referendum Party stood in 546 constituencies. The party polled 810,231 votes and finished fourth, with approximately 3% share of the vote. They did not win a seat in the House of Commons.

However it did spawn the UKIP and the Democracy Movement and don't forget the short lived Democratic Party: The Democratic Party - U.K. [Archive]