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And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014 -
Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostWhat I have never understood is the apathy amongst IT contractors to actually step in and do something about the ICT Visa. It would not be hard to set up an anonymous website with names of employers and names of companies and numbers involved. After all you are the ones who see it day to day.
Instead you lot moan about it and allude to it going on but you are too cowardly to name anyone or give examples.
Why are there not informants going to the borders agency and giving some names of Indians who have been on site for long periods, checking their wages and living conditions and the nature of work they do.Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostWhat I have never understood is the apathy amongst IT contractors to actually step in and do something about the ICT Visa. It would not be hard to set up an anonymous website with names of employers and names of companies and numbers involved. After all you are the ones who see it day to day.
Instead you lot moan about it and allude to it going on but you are too cowardly to name anyone or give examples.
Why are there not informants going to the borders agency and giving some names of Indians who have been on site for long periods, checking their wages and living conditions and the nature of work they do.Hard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostWhat I have never understood is the apathy amongst IT contractors to actually step in and do something about the ICT Visa. It would not be hard to set up an anonymous website with names of employers and names of companies and numbers involved. After all you are the ones who see it day to day.
Instead you lot moan about it and allude to it going on but you are too cowardly to name anyone or give examples.
Why are there not informants going to the borders agency and giving some names of Indians who have been on site for long periods, checking their wages and living conditions and the nature of work they do.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostAlmost all blue chips I've worked at had a floor of Indian workers who brought their "tiffin" to lunch. But in almost all cases they were doing low-level IT support - I don't think the outsourcing model is, yet, suitable for high-value-added work.
a) they have the skills
b) they understand the needs of customers in a growing market like India
Obviously it's a different sector to the finance firms in London and in different sectors you see different patterns.
Unfortunately I think that some people are struggling with the idea that the economic power in the world is shifting. We can disagree about the speed at which it's shifting, but it does seem to be shifting.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostThe BBC is not the only media channel available. While it may or may not be biased, the UK has a wide range of 'news'papers, journals, TV channels and websites where all sorts of views can be aired, and there's even a speakers' corner where you can say what you like.
to be fair the web is forcing more airing of wider viewpoints, slowly this will change things.Comment
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostAlmost all blue chips I've worked at had a floor of Indian workers who brought their "tiffin" to lunch. But in almost all cases they were doing low-level IT support - I don't think the outsourcing model is, yet, suitable for high-value-added work.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by CoolCat View Posttrue but the BBC does still have a lot of influence in this country, and the dominant views of its elite are rammed down everyones throats constantly. sure there are other media, but individuals know the views of those dominating the hiring process in the media and so temper their views to ensure they dont ruin their future chances of being hired.
to be fair the web is forcing more airing of wider viewpoints, slowly this will change things.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostMitchKnob, I am considerably kleverer and more educashioned than yau.
If you can't see the mechanisms you must be stupid, just take a walk around, look at the black helicopters in the sky and notice the radio masts supressing the bad news in immigration and beaming propaganda into your abode.
This conversation is over, as I must put some tin foil on my head.
Love CoolCat.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostI'm not moaning about it. I'm working with some excellent chaps from India and learning a lot from working with them. They're also better paid than their Dutch colleagues.
The situation is changing and fluid.
Firstly, large blue chips are already more likely to open offices in India than import Indian workers here.
Secondly, remote working is already a possibility -FFS it's the way I run my business: working from home with clients across Europe.
Thirdly, the global cognitive elite can work anywhere in the world, since their employers are powerful enough to move them wherever they want.
This suggests to me that jobs have already de-centralised and become global.
Trying to preserve jobs like IT in a geographical location is like trying to hold water in your hands.
All a country can do is to make itself an inviting destination for companies to base themselves in. Or it can withdraw, put the barriers up and resign itself to poverty.Last edited by sasguru; 29 November 2013, 09:50.Hard Brexit now!
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