Britain hysterical over immigration

[darmstadt]

'Your'?

You seem to know nothing about the UK government. Many wish it was right-wing, instead of middle-of-the-road politicians that don't want to upset anyone.

And you seem to know nothing about the immigration issue in the UK. The sudden influx of millions of people has given us an over-population problem. How often do you use UK public services, use UK public transport, commute on the roads, tried to buy a house, or even competed for a job with Indians or eastern Europeans for whom the minimum wage is a fortune back home?

People here don't want to kick them all out or anything as extreme. But they do want tighter immigration controls re-established after, as even former Labour ministers are now freely admitting was a big mistake, Blair's goverment lost them.

Probably know much more about the UK government and politics than you do, for my sins. My whole family have been politically active for over 60 years, in fact I recently attended the funereal of an immediate family member at Chelsea Hospital (he was a Chelsea Pensioner) which was attended by MPs and other senior politcal figures from both sides of the house some of which I continue to talk with on an irregular basis in order to keep up with UK politics rather than just reading the 'biased' press. This way, at least, I can make my own informed decisions.

As for the immigration issue, its always been there from the West Indian, Pakistani and other far flung colonial outposts immigrants and each time there has been this outcry. I had to study the Italian immigrants in areas like Bradford who were brought over to work in the brickworks which in turn made Bradford the largest Italian community outside of Italy at one point. As it is I have to compete with immigrants here, and I'm one of them I suppose, for contracts. Recently I went for a contract where the company wanted cheap so looked at a number of East Europeans (including Russia) and then talked to me. I got the contract even though I wasn't the cheapest but because I was the best. Maybe thats just a failing with British management, plenty cheapness, shoddy work.

The problems that you describe are not unique to the UK but are widespread across a lot of Europe, its just that it seems that people in the UK think that they're being picked on.

[Zero Liability]

If not for so many of those people voting UKIP they might have got a conservative majority instead of a compromise coalition of libdems and tories.

Then again, why should they vote for the Conservatives? You can flip that argument around, on its head.

[Lockhouse]

If not for so many of those people voting UKIP they might have got a conservative majority instead of a compromise coalition of libdems and tories.

Vote anyone other than UKIP and get more of the same. Plus It's the Tories that split the UKIP vote.

[Flashman]

Vote anyone other than UKIP and get more of the same. Plus It's the Tories that split the UKIP vote.

When even the Tory leadership hate the Tory party you know its over.

Conservative Party should have been wound up when Thatcher was sacked.

[edison]

Almost all blue chips I've worked at had a floor of Indian workers who brought their "tiffin" to lunch. But in almost all cases they were doing low-level IT support - I don't think the outsourcing model is, yet, suitable for high-value-added work.

Maybe the outsourcing model is starting to change. Over the last 2-3 years I've seen an increasing number of Indians working in higher 'value add' roles such as Solution Architects and Project Managers.

India and China produce hundreds of thousands of technical graduates a year. Interestingly, a study a few years ago (by McKinsey I think) concluded that only 10-15% of these were 'globally employable' in other words were skilled enough to work in Europe for example. But this will surely change over time. The obvious answer is to improve our own UK skills base but although there has been a recent increase in students taking up technical subjects I fear that the UK will never produce enough highly skilled technical graduates.

[minestrone]

Overlooking the obvious inadequacies of their educational system and the dubious standard of some degrees bobs often don't have the personality for the work.

Too often they are painfully shy, problem solving is often not great and can be practically non existent in a team setting, also they have a tendency to hide issues as if they think reporting a problem will mean that they have become part of the problem. They need to get over their cultural communication hang ups first.

[CoolCat]

Maybe the outsourcing model is starting to change. Over the last 2-3 years I've seen an increasing number of Indians working in higher 'value add' roles such as Solution Architects and Project Managers.

India and China produce hundreds of thousands of technical graduates a year. Interestingly, a study a few years ago (by McKinsey I think) concluded that only 10-15% of these were 'globally employable' in other words were skilled enough to work in Europe for example. But this will surely change over time. The obvious answer is to improve our own UK skills base but although there has been a recent increase in students taking up technical subjects I fear that the UK will never produce enough highly skilled technical graduates.

McKinsey are biased because they are paid big fees to advise the Indian outsourcers.

The reality is mostly our business leadership will choose cheap workers over quality every time, and mostly they dont know how to measure quality. They buy stuff like agile methodology to supposedly win them speed of adapting to change but then they mess it up by using Indian workers with a poor culture. They are far too trusting of the latest BS on the conference circuit, and far too dismissive of people who have done good delivery time after time.

In the US there is a big backlash, and the fashions are changing, hopefully our ruling class will catch on before its too late.

[Old Greg]

Overlooking the obvious inadequacies of their educational system and the dubious standard of some degrees bobs often don't have the personality for the work.

Too often they are painfully shy, problem solving is often not great and can be practically non existent in a team setting, also they have a tendency to hide issues as if they think reporting a problem will mean that they have become part of the problem. They need to get over their cultural communication hang ups first.

You make them sound like a perfect fit with UK techies.

[sasguru]

McKinsey are biased because they are paid big fees to advise the Indian outsourcers.
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If they were biased why on earth would they say only 10% -15% of Indian graduates are employable?
You really are a prize, poorly-educated, irrational, illogical moron.

[Mich the Tester]

In this post I'm not replying to anyone in particular. This is just a general comment on the subject of immigration in UK......

There are some people who are quick to accuse others of being racist for simply daring to question mass immigration, even though the issue is quite obviously not about racial discrimination.

I've often thought there is something not quite right about such people who are so quick to point the finger of accusation. It's like they're trying a little too hard to take the high moral ground, maybe to try to prove that they themselves are not racist.

Who's accused anyone of racism in this thread?