FGM - why?? FFS Why?

[Dactylion]

You can happily play Music loud in private, when it is too loud for the neighbours you aremay be breaking the some laws, bylaws or contractual terms.

Slight amendment there:
"too loud" is somewhat subjective.
"too loud for the neighbours" is very subjective.

[d000hg]

It's bad law if it's intruding on personal and private freedoms when they affect nobody else.

Again, why? Why should your private life not be governed in any sense? Where does this basic premise come from that you so boldly state?

[vetran]

Slight amendment there:
"too loud" is somewhat subjective.
"too loud for the neighbours" is very subjective.

Its not subjective it is measured using using calibrated noise meters.

Actually getting the council to do this is quite hard.

Breach of the Peace is normally subjective.

Law:

Noise and Nuisance - Frequently Asked Questions

[Dactylion]

Its not subjective it is measured using using calibrated noise meters.

Actually getting the council to do this is quite hard.

Breach of the Peace is normally subjective.

Law:

Noise and Nuisance - Frequently Asked Questions

Sorry I still disagree!
You said "too loud for the neighbours" implying that it was the neighbours view of "too loud" that counted.

I accept that both "too loud" and "too loud loud for the neighbours" might be in breach of laws/bylaws etc.

It is perfectly possible that measurement by the equipment you mention would confirm that the music didn't meet the objective criteria of "too loud" (as defined in the laws/bylaws etc) that wouldn't alter the subjective view of the neighbour.
Conversely the objective measure of "too loud" might be perfectly acceptable to a different neighbour.

[xoggoth]

Again, why? Why should your private life not be governed in any sense? Where does this basic premise come from that you so boldly state?

In the absence of any "higher laws" the best statement comes from the US constitution - We hold these things to be self evident ...blah blah (ignore the creator bit) ...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We may not know why, but we do know what things make us happy, the instincts and needs and desires that nature has given us. It makes sense to go with those - to satisfy our own desires and also to cooperate towards making a decent society that we all want to live in. There is less happiness when a society intrudes too far into our personal lives, as in some dictatorships, overbearing communist and religious states, or when there is too much emphasis on the human rights of individuals to the detriment of others, as in ours.

[Churchill]

Since I've known about it since I was a teen - woman's mags sometimes do have useful information in them - I've done some of my bit already by telling other Western women about it.

That is such a lame response that it needs quoting for posterity.

[amcdonald]

Breach of the Peace is normally subjective.

Law:

Noise and Nuisance - Frequently Asked Questions

Even being too tall can be considered a breech of the peace, according to plod

[vetran]

Sorry I still disagree!

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Conversely the objective measure of "too loud" might be perfectly acceptable to a different neighbour.

You have a real future on this board in Pedants corner!

[Dactylion]

You have a real future on this board in Pedants corner!

Well presumably only a virtual future as Dactylion isn't actually "me".....

[vetran]

Well presumably only a virtual future as Dactylion isn't actually "me".....

well played my imaginary friend!