Russell Brand

[vetran]

Are you sure about that?

Shadow Cabinet of Millionaires - Guy Fawkes' blog

Russell Brand Net Worth - TheRichest

he is worth £15M.

my understanding they are all worth about £2-5M. Many of them from inherited wealth from their socialist fathers. Yes compared to most they are rich but he is richer.

[d000hg]

What he earns is entirely relevant because what he is saying is that there should be a redistribution of wealth through the tax system. he cited bankers as epitomising the rich and powerful and the large corporations as being guilty of exploitation. On two fronts Paxman should have challenged him. Would he - Brand - be prepared to give up most of his wealth and have it redistributed through the tax system? and does he regard people paying him money as exploitation in the same way as people are being exploited into buying food from Tesco?

Poor argument. Brand is an entertainer and makes money directly because people pay to go and see him, or because studios pay him out of money people pay to see films, etc, he is in. Bankers epitomise those who rake in money for doing a job people have no say in, and often have no idea what that job IS, and cannot do anything about. Banks are an essential service.

Also, Brand is paid for producing something people want (apparently) - bankers take money simply for keeping the system running.

For the record I think the vilification of bankers as some specific group is wrong, but that doesn't make your argument any more watertight.

[DodgyAgent]

Poor argument. Brand is an entertainer and makes money directly because people pay to go and see him, or because studios pay him out of money people pay to see films, etc, he is in. Bankers epitomise those who rake in money for doing a job people have no say in, and often have no idea what that job IS, and cannot do anything about. Banks are an essential service.

For the record I think the vilification of bankers as some specific group is wrong, but that doesn't make your argument any more watertight.

And where do IT contractors fit into all this? are you more or less worthy of your earnings than a banker or Russell Brand?
Getting into a debate about an individuals worth is a sticky place to go. I suggest you do not go there because as soon as you judge others so you too will be judged.

[Jog On]

It is the easiest thing in the world to criticise something and I am surprised frankly that you are taken in by it. It was how Hitler giot to power by launching soundbites that blamed the Jews.
Brand offers nothing new until he comes up with some practical ideas of how things should change.

This is where most of the raging lefty occupy types shoot themselves in the foot. I had a similar conversation with one not too long ago and his answer to the question of "Ok so what's the alternative?" was to avoid the question, veer off on a tangent and not let me get a word in edgeways...

I'm all for making things better and fairer but there are ways of doing it. I'm of the "create something new that makes the old thing obsolete" school of thinking.

The poor and disadvantaged of this world don't need self serving hypocrites shouting from their pedestals promoting the victim mindset. They need creative and intelligent ways of doing things that simply outperform and replace the old.

[d000hg]

And where do IT contractors fit into all this? are you more or less worthy of your earnings than a banker or Russell Brand?

Irrelevant if you're a permie or a contractor in this argument. Contractors working in banks on £800/day are as 'bad' as 'bankers'.

[doodab]

he is worth £9.5M

Did the exchange rate conversion for you.

[doodab]

And where do IT contractors fit into all this?

Above agents, obviously.

[vetran]

reminds me of the Bono et al going on about tax avoidance, we then find out they are all hiding their wealth offshore. Even Saint Bob.

Tax Research UK » Why’s Bob Geldof so tetchy about his tax affairs?

Now if Brand was spending his fortune fixing the world then I might have some sympathy.

Part of this is shock to drive ratings, he may well believe in some of it.

[DodgyAgent]

Irrelevant if you're a permie or a contractor in this argument. Contractors working in banks on £800/day are as 'bad' as 'bankers'.

You are missing my point. What you are saying is that bankers are not worth their earnings yet Russell Brand is worth every penny he gets!! So now that we are judging people's entitlement to what they earn we need to draw up some rules and apply them across the entire spectrum of work. So let me ask you again where do IT contractors fit into all this?

If you think there are "good contractors" presumably like you earning say £500 a day then there are obviously "bad contractors who work at banks earning £800 a day. Unfortunately not everything is a s black and white as you people like to think. One of the effects of "bad contractors" earning £800 per day is that they push up the cost of contractors in other sectors. So how do you feel about this? Effectively you are being enriched s a result of banks paying high rates to other contractors. Many contractors have worked at both banks and elsewhere so are you saying that these contractors go from being bad to good according to how much they earn and who they work for?

[vetran]

Did the exchange rate conversion for you.

oops- still more than 'silver spoon' CMD or most of the shadow cabinet.