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    #91
    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    How on earth are they supposed to do that? Do any of us have a clue what to do to 'sort out' the BNP or any of the other extreme right groups in Europe? No. We don't, so how can we expect your average muslim to 'sort out' the extremists?
    The problem is Mich, that this level of complexity is far beyond the intellectual capacities of some CUKkers.

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      #92
      Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
      How on earth are they supposed to do that? Do any of us have a clue what to do to 'sort out' the BNP or any of the other extreme right groups in Europe? No. We don't, so how can we expect your average muslim to 'sort out' the extremists?
      WHS.

      Well said.

      Nick Griffin has an excellent interview where even he has changed his views on what Islam and Muslims are really about.

      This all boils down to one particular interpretation - that is the Salafist/Wahibi interpretation originating from Saudi Arabic (Whom are government are too scared to criticise!). It really is as simple as that - you can't expect shia or sufi muslims to explain the actions of those whom they are victims of themselves! That should explain how ridiculous some of the points are in this thread. Go and protest to the government for their support of Saudi who are pumping billions into spreading their ideology of hate.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
        How on earth are they supposed to do that? Do any of us have a clue what to do to 'sort out' the BNP or any of the other extreme right groups in Europe? No. We don't, so how can we expect your average muslim to 'sort out' the extremists?
        well I would imagine the most sensible way would be to distance themselves from such actions and declare public disdain and disgust for such crimes and declare 'not in my religions name' much as Christianity has done for the Nazis, far right, BNP, KKK etc.

        they could also strive to eradicate the extremist teachings in their mosques which are leading their followers astray.

        You don't eradicate things like the BNP you control it and make it looks sad, bad & stupid by removing it from anyone's mind as an acceptable option.
        Last edited by vetran; 27 September 2013, 08:53.
        Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
          The problem is Mich, that this level of complexity is far beyond the intellectual capacities of some CUKkers.
          yep like you feckwit.
          Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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            #95
            Originally posted by vetran View Post
            well I would imagine the most sensible way would be to distance themselves from such actions and declare public disdain and disgust for such crimes and declare 'not in my religions name' much as Christianity has done for the Nazis, far right, BNP, KKK etc.

            they could also strive to eradicate the extremist teachings in their mosques which are leading their followers astray.

            You don't eradicate things like the BNP you control it and make it looks sad, bad & stupid by removing it from anyone's mind as an acceptable option.
            Many of them are already doing these things. Just look at some the reactions from muslims that were posted on the beeb after the Kenya attacks, or the mosque in Birmingham that opened up for tea, biscuits and cricket on the TV for everyone after the soldier was killed in London.

            Anyway with all the disdain and painting extremists as stupid, we no have a situation in Europe where some very distasteful parties are riding high in the polls; the Dutch PVV, who this week sat in parliament wearing badges that showed the old orange-white-blue Dutch flag that was abolished after the war as it was used by the Nazis, the FN in France who want a ban on wearing keppels, and others. We don't know what to do about this, and everything we try seems to make the problem worse; don't expect moderate muslims to do any better. However, if moderate muslims do succeed in doing what we have consistently failed to do, then they will have done European societies a great service. Why not ask them how you can help?
            And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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              #96
              Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
              Many of them are already doing these things. Just look at some the reactions from muslims that were posted on the beeb after the Kenya attacks, or the mosque in Birmingham that opened up for tea, biscuits and cricket on the TV for everyone after the soldier was killed in London.

              <Comparison with legal if unpleasant political parties that would be ripped apart if they preached hate like they did in Finsbury park - removed>

              Why not ask them how you can help?
              Indeed, positive moves from the moderates . More of it please.

              How do they want me to help? How do you know I don't already?

              The original question was how do we improve the public's trust in Muslims. The answer I believe is for their leaders to denounce extremism, not permit it in any way in their places of worship and encourage integration just like successful integrators like the Sikhs.

              Also stop dressing up in balaclavas.
              Last edited by vetran; 27 September 2013, 09:17.
              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #97
                Could we not do a version of Breaking Amish with them, Breaking Jihad maybe?

                Get their veils and bomb vests off and get them into swimming cozzies. Ply them with booze and follow them round with cameras as they make tits out of themselves.

                If they want to reach out to the youth that is they way to do it.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                  What are these British values of which you speak off? The UK consists of 4 countries.
                  Indeed, I could have said "UK values" but that would include The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and in this case I am specifically excluding Northern Ireland because many Irish have differing values to the British (in particular on abortion and contraception) compared to the British.

                  Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                  What traditional values of the UK?
                  Have a read of these values to set a baseline. Now consider how other cultures sit in comparison. Do the religions practised in other cultures build on and re-enforce this or do they seek to limit and take away from these values?
                  Free advice and opinions - refunds are available if you are not 100% satisfied.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post
                    Indeed, positive moves from the moderates . More of it please.

                    How do they want me to help? How do you know I don't already?

                    The original question was how do we improve the public's trust in Muslims. The answer I believe is for their leaders to denounce extremism, not permit it in any way in their places of worship and encourage integration just like successful integrators like the Sikhs.

                    Also stop dressing up in balaclavas.
                    One of my friends posted me this:

                    Imam Hussain (A.S) Blood Donation Campaign | Give Back. Give Blood.

                    it's been running for 7 years and they have donated 1000s of litres of blood to the NHS but I had never heard of it.....

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                      Originally posted by Wanderer View Post
                      Have a read of these values to set a baseline.
                      Of course 'Human Rights' is a really popular subject among Daily Wail readers.
                      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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