Muslim awareness classes for schools?

[SueEllen]

I was talking about the Imams being extreme. We discount Breikevik as a lonesome nutter, the 7/11 boys were cultured in a Mosque.

If the vicar stood in the pulpit and declared war on the unbelievers in every church (of all variants of Christianity I have come across) I am pretty sure he would not be invited back and the congregation would complain to the Bishop.

Yes Islam doesn't have a hierarchy but they need to police their own.

Not all Christian denominations have Bishops. There have been and there are nutter Churches. Luckily for us most of them only kill themselves.

I did go to a Church service once where the pastor preached antisemitism and hatred to non-believers though it wasn't in the UK.

One of the issues that Mich didn't mention is the councils and universities, including student unions, have rooms which they allow these factions to use. So when mosques throw them out that's where they go.

Now some universities have got wise but it's taken over 20 years for them to act due to a belief in religious freedom.

[shoes]

Well the silence from most respondents and readers on this thread to my rational reasonable queries speaks volumes. I challenge each of you to have a long hard look at yourselves and wonder why you favour illogical bias and sticking your head in the sand in regard to this issue. You needn't reply if you don't want to, just think about it yourself. Who told you it was wrong to think logically about this? Why do you obey? For a rational observer it is worrying.

[Mich the Tester]

Well the silence from most respondents and readers on this thread to my rational reasonable queries speaks volumes. I challenge each of you to have a long hard look at yourselves and wonder why you favour illogical bias and sticking your head in the sand in regard to this issue. You needn't reply if you don't want to, just think about it yourself. Who told you it was wrong to think logically about this? Why do you obey? For a rational observer it is worrying.

Erm, what do you mean with your suggestion that people 'obey'?

[vetran]

Not all Christian denominations have Bishops. There have been and there are nutter Churches. Luckily for us most of them only kill themselves.

I did go to a Church service once where the pastor preached antisemitism and hatred to non-believers though it wasn't in the UK.

One of the issues that Mich didn't mention is the councils and universities, including student unions, have rooms which they allow these factions to use. So when mosques throw them out that's where they go.

Now some universities have got wise but it's taken over 20 years for them to act due to a belief in religious freedom.

Bishop/Pontiff/Grand Mage it was just an idea of position.

Yep such churches are recognised as such, if Islam doesn't want to be seen as a nutter religion it needs to expel the nutters.

In which country? Were the general populace in the country unhappy with such a situation?

Good to hear the Universities are policing the extremists and Mosques are throwing them out.

[Mich the Tester]

Bishop/Pontiff/Grand Mage it was just an idea of position.

Yep such churches are recognised as such, if Islam doesn't want to be seen as a nutter religion it needs to expel the nutters.

In which country? Were the general populace in the country unhappy with such a situation?

Good to hear the Universities are policing the extremists and Mosques are throwing them out.

Is it really a good thing for the mosques to throw out the extremists? If all they'll do is join a new mosque where they can all sit around agreeing with each other, they'll just confirm each other's idiotic ideas and then some will go postal. I think I'd prefer the more moderate mosques to keep them on board where they'll be confronted with people who think differently to themselves.

[shoes]

Erm, what do you mean with your suggestion that people 'obey'?

I merely observe that a person willingly refusing to apply rational thought to a situation does so for a reason. It can be a mental deficiency of some kind, perhaps they themselves are inherently irrational, I would put religious people in such a category for example. It could be that they are co-erced into it, or have been exposed to an environment where over time the idea of thinking in a rational way about x or y is actively discouraged.

I did implicitly assume that the reason for the refusal to apply rational thought to the islamic violence problem was due to the last reason, that they are actively discouraged not to. And so when I ask why do people obey I am asking why they have agreed to suspend logical thought from this area.

There are assumptions there certainly, perhaps there is some mental illness in this forum but I thought it more likely that people were being encouraged simply not to think, and hence 'obey' that idea.

If anyone has any other theory as to how a refusal to apply logic and reason in regard to islamic violence has come about for vast swathes of the population I'd be interested to hear it.

[Mich the Tester]

I merely observe that a person willingly refusing to apply rational thought to a situation does so for a reason. It can be a mental deficiency of some kind, perhaps they themselves are inherently irrational, I would put religious people in such a category for example. It could be that they are co-erced into it, or have been exposed to an environment where over time the idea of thinking in a rational way about x or y is actively discouraged.

I did implicitly assume that the reason for the refusal to apply rational thought to the islamic violence problem was due to the last reason, that they are actively discouraged not to. And so when I ask why do people obey I am asking why they have agreed to suspend logical thought from this area.

There are assumptions there certainly, perhaps there is some mental illness in this forum but I thought it more likely that people were being encouraged simply not to think, and hence 'obey' that idea.

If anyone has any other theory as to how a refusal to apply logic and reason in regard to islamic violence has come about for vast swathes of the population I'd be interested to hear it.

You seem to be taking a position that if someone takes a different view to yourself then he is 'suspending logical thought'.

[amcdonald]

I merely observe that a person willingly refusing to apply rational thought to a situation does so for a reason. It can be a mental deficiency of some kind, perhaps they themselves are inherently irrational, I would put religious people in such a category for example. It could be that they are co-erced into it, or have been exposed to an environment where over time the idea of thinking in a rational way about x or y is actively discouraged.

We've long past the stage of needing to invent something to explain the universe around us to make us feel important as a species

Why do we have to accept the need for religion now, society should have moved on

[shoes]

You seem to be taking a position that if someone takes a different view to yourself then he is 'suspending logical thought'.

I ask that a view have a rationale. Explain the thought behind your views, Im interested to hear. Again I have yet to hear a reasonable rational response to my initial thoughts which leads me to tentatively point to the conclusion that no such rationale to oppose it exists. I await reason.

[Wanderer]

If anyone has any other theory as to how a refusal to apply logic and reason in regard to islamic violence has come about for vast swathes of the population I'd be interested to hear it.

All religions are based on the suspension of logic and reason - otherwise known as "faith".