Religious nut kills himself in Norte Dame Cathedral as protest to gay marriage

[proggy]

So the history of secular ideologies is entirely free of starvation camps, political repression, secret police, dodgy boarding schools, human experimentation (for example involuntary sports drug programs) and so on?

No, but I never said "I'm not against secular ideologies at all, but I think it's unfair to claim that we'd be better off without the secular ideologies". Any irrational believe be it religious or secular is a bad thing.

[d000hg]

And of course priests abuse altar boys because of their religion, not because they were pedos who exploited privileged positions... if they weren't priests they would be teachers... there is a bit of a time-bomb about school music teachers from things I hear, who obviously are often in 1:1 situations with kids.

[Mich the Tester]

No, but I never said "I'm not against secular ideologies at all, but I think it's unfair to claim that we'd be better off without the secular ideologies". Any irrational believe be it religious or secular is a bad thing.

Tell us what is 'rational', and what the limits of rationality are. Having given us your definition, is there anything 'irrational' that is of value?

[DodgyAgent]

Guess he won't be posting on here any more.

Cybertory?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

And thus commits a mortal sin in the process condemning him to hell where if there is a God he will be bummed for eternity for his stupidity.

BBC News - Man kills himself inside Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris

Could you imagine the headlines if this idiot was a Muslim.

[d000hg]

Tell us what is 'rational', and what the limits of rationality are. Having given us your definition, is there anything 'irrational' that is of value?

Rationality is surely a human construct of no more value than anything else. It's irrational to post on CUK as a series of sockies...

[Mich the Tester]

Rationality is surely a human construct of no more value than anything else. It's irrational to post on CUK as a series of sockies...

Indeed. Rationality, or reason, has almost not reached its ultimate definition and is bounded by many things; available knowledge, context, etcetera, and it's quite possible to construct 'rational' arguments to defend contradictory positions. In fact it's quite possible to construct rational arguments for defending an 'irrational' position. Kant had some worthwhile things to say about reason and the limits of reason, but that might be a bit difficult for those who are still struggling with the Mr Men books.

[proggy]

Rationality is surely a human construct of no more value than anything else. It's irrational to post on CUK as a series of sockies...

Rational thinking and scientific methods have enabled us to fly airplanes, build computers go into space, cure many diseases. None of these things came from religion despite its outrageous claims.

[NotAllThere]

May I refer to honourable posters to my sig?

If a 'religion' is defined to be a system of ideas that contains unprovable statements, then Gödel taught us that mathematics is not only a religion, it is the only religion that can prove itself to be one. --John Barrow

Is it rational to believe maths? Especially Pi.

[proggy]

May I refer to honourable posters to my sig?

If a 'religion' is defined to be a system of ideas that contains unprovable statements, then Gödel taught us that mathematics is not only a religion, it is the only religion that can prove itself to be one. --John Barrow

Is it rational to believe maths? Especially Pi.

Yes because scientific rational experiments can confirm Mathematical concepts/identities are valid.