Swivel-eyed loon speaks on gay marriage

[Old Greg]

I think the issue is that for many people marriage is a union between a man and a women which will lead to naturally born off spring.

This is why childless married couples are often viewed as strange and why single mothers are still potentially looked down on (not by me mind you!)

ANd the point is that if a naturally produced child cannot be the product of a marriage then why call it one.

Why is the civil partnership not enough? As that is to all intents and purposes a marriage?

So nor marriages for the 80 year olds or infertile?

[vetran]

I think the issue is that for many people marriage is a union between a man and a women which will lead to naturally born off spring.

This is why childless married couples are often viewed as strange and why single mothers are still potentially looked down on (not by me mind you!)

ANd the point is that if a naturally produced child cannot be the product of a marriage then why call it one.

Why is the civil partnership not enough? As that is to all intents and purposes a marriage?

AIUI because its not totally equal to marriage , there are a few other subtle points in law.

which is why IMO the state should make them equal and tell the churches you have control over your own buildings but not over the legal institute called marriage.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

As I said, I find it hard to moralise about what consenting adults get up to.

But back on topic:

We have changed marriage with the introduction of divorce. Presumably that was a mistake because it was changing the fundamental nature of marriage? Or was that change OK, but no more changes allowed?

What about the change from polygamy to monogamy? Didn't Solomon have 1000 wives? Was that change OK?

So you have proven my original point - let's just open it up completely and normalise all those things we previously and currently viewed as immoral.

[Old Greg]

AIUI because its not totally equal to marriage , there are a few other subtle points in law.

which is why IMO the state should make them equal and tell the churches you have control over your own buildings but not over the legal institute called marriage.

And indeed the Roman Catholic church is not forced to marry divorcees, so there is no need to worry on the score of churches being forced to conduct gay marriages.

[Bunk]

And indeed the Roman Catholic church is not forced to marry divorcees, so there is no need to worry on the score of churches being forced to conduct gay marriages.

But then if a church is entitled to refuse to marry a gay couple, what's to stop a registrar from refusing to marry a gay couple? Why should any organisation be allowed to discriminate?

[d000hg]

But here's the thing. I was brought up to think for myself. I was brought up in a culture that sees incest as wrong, but I struggle to see why, so I don't hold that it is, between consenting adults. How did I do that?

Because it's possible to grow beyond your upbringing. That does not change the fact that it colours your thinking.

You say that intellectually you don't find incest to be wrong. But do you find your sister/mother/daughter to be sexually attractive, or even view them as having the potential to be so? I bet if your mum came on to you, you would recoil regardless of your logical viewpoint on the matter.

[Old Greg]

But then if a church is entitled to refuse to marry a gay couple, what's to stop a registrar from refusing to marry a gay couple? Why should any organisation be allowed to discriminate?

A church wedding is a religious service, so should be within the bounds of the religion. Presumable a racist church could refuse to marry an inter-racial couple just as a homophobic church can refuse to marry a gay couple.

A registrar is a public servant conducting a public service, and should no more be allowed to refuse to marry a gay couple than to refuse to marry an inter-racial one.

[Old Greg]

Because it's possible to grow beyond your upbringing. That does not change the fact that it colours your thinking.

You say that intellectually you don't find incest to be wrong. But do you find your sister/mother/daughter to be sexually attractive, or even view them as having the potential to be so? I bet if your mum came on to you, you would recoil regardless of your logical viewpoint on the matter.

I'd recoil if you came onto me but that doesn't mean I think homosexuality is immoral.

Logic fail, I'm afraid.

[SimonMac]

In the UK that's bigamy though in some cultures it's allowed.

Mind you would you really want more than one wife especially if they had to share the same house?

Whats the punishment for Bigamy? Two mother in laws

[Old Greg]

Whats the punishment for Bigamy? Two mother in laws

If you lived in Barnet and Barnet lived in the Daily Mail parallel universe, you'd be in big trouble.

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