Children with ADHD. Real or bad parenting?

[original PM]

Of course there's limits, I'm just not in for complete segregation. The limits are, however, often too defined by money and facility rather than what is possible or our ability to think of an solution.

For example, in the school I talked about before, the kids that run around and that are generally disruptive are made to wear sand vests. It's controversial in the UK, but it works. You can buy them I'm sure. I've seen it used first hand and even the disruptive children volunteer wearing them. There's almost a relief on their faces as it like a switch and they are now free to concentrate. It throws a different perspective on your thought process, there's a want to be educated but this illness gets in the way and the children someone know it even if it does not show on the surface.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ldren-11882550

Back in the day we used to smack kids round the head when they got up and ran around.

What that did was focus their minds on the task in hand and also reinforced the need to think before you randomly decide to get up and run around when you should be sat down working.

Sandvest? if it works then....

Would you be happy for your child to have that?

Maybe a ball gag for kids who cannot control their sound output?

[scooterscot]

Of course there's limits, I'm just not in for complete segregation. The limits are, however, often too defined by money and facility rather than what is possible or our ability to think of an solution.

For example, in the school I talked about before, the kids that run around and that are generally disruptive are made to wear sand vests. It's controversial in the UK, but it works. You can buy them I'm sure. I've seen it used first hand and even the disruptive children volunteer wearing them. There's almost a relief on their faces as it like a switch and they are now free to concentrate. It throws a different perspective on your thought process, there's a want to be educated but this illness gets in the way and the children someone know it even if it does not show on the surface.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ldren-11882550

[original PM]

Our eldest has language delay, navigating the support required in a language we don't speak well has been a nightmare. Nonetheless the support on offer is available both in and out of school. Ergotherapy, Logopädin (speech therapy) - back in my day it was he'll grow out of it.

A friend back in the UK is going through a similar phase a private school no less, yet the support is largely absent, causing much stress.

I'm no communist but I don't favour how unequal children are treated in some areas of education bank home. If anything I think it is important children mix with those challenged in others areas for it provides a 'this is the way the world is' view rather than our believe in what it should be. One of our local grundschules make this way of learning part of their philosophy.

But if one child is allowed to run around, screech, play with toys and generally do what they want - where as the rest have to sit down , shut up and listen where is the equality in that?

If you had to work next to someone who every few minutes got up, ran around played about with stuff on your desk and was generally disruptive - but still got paid the same as you how would you feel.

Especially if you started getting penalised because you are not able to do your work with the distractions.

There are accepted levels of how a human being should behave in a given situation - if you are saying that does not exist and any behaviour is acceptable then I think you are wanting to live in a strange and dangerous world.

[scooterscot]

Our eldest has language delay, navigating the support required in a language we don't speak well has been a nightmare. Nonetheless the support on offer is available both in and out of school. Ergotherapy, Logopädin (speech therapy) - back in my day it was he'll grow out of it.

A friend back in the UK is going through a similar phase a private school no less, yet the support is largely absent, causing much stress.

I'm no communist but I don't favour how unequal children are treated in some areas of education bank home. If anything I think it is important children mix with those challenged in others areas for it provides a 'this is the way the world is' view rather than our believe in what it should be. One of our local grundschules make this way of learning part of their philosophy.

[original PM]

Schools get extra money for kids with special educational needs so that isn't a valid argument as that's the money they should be spending on them.

The problem is that some kids with special educational needs need properly trained teaching staff around them virtually all the time who know what to do when they kick off. This is a problem in mainstream schools where teachers aren't trained and therefore don't think they can cope.

Very true - but as a seven year old kid if you are bored with whatever teacher is saying and there is another seven year old kid who (in your young eyes) gets away with doing whatever the fook they want - then you as a seven year old kids are going to be distracted - and potentially will mimic that behaviour.

I do not have any answers but you have to see the problem from the other end.

[SueEllen]

I feel your pain and hope everything works out for the better.

But to take a different view mainstream schools are there to try and teach kids - they are probably not in the situation where they can offer the support needed an still ensure that all the other kids have a fair chance of success.

Would you be happy with your kids failing because the school was spending all the money and support on kids with extra support needs?

Schools get extra money for kids with special educational needs so that isn't a valid argument as that's the money they should be spending on them.

The problem is that some kids with special educational needs need properly trained teaching staff around them virtually all the time who know what to do when they kick off. This is a problem in mainstream schools where teachers aren't trained and therefore don't think they can cope.

[scooterscot]

Not long dropped mine off at the wild kindergarten, they're sat outside for Brotzeit, it's -2c! You've now got my complete attention as to knowing when I'm going back indoors.

PS: 1 star hotels fill me with terror.

[original PM]

I feel your pain and hope everything works out for the better.

But to take a different view mainstream schools are there to try and teach kids - they are probably not in the situation where they can offer the support needed an still ensure that all the other kids have a fair chance of success.

Would you be happy with your kids failing because the school was spending all the money and support on kids with extra support needs?

[Pondlife]

tulip news MF. Sorry to hear.

[MyUserName]

Sorry to hear that