Jimmy Savile 'household name' sweep

**OwlHoot** · 27 January 2015, 16:02

Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View Post

Would you marry a 9 year old girl

At what point in the past do you think that was morally right ?

Maybe at a point when a leader not taking an opportunity to marry the offspring of the ruler of a neighbouring tribe would lead to that neighbour making some other possibly hostile alliance and likely cause bloodshed and possible loss of the former leader's kingdom.

Also, when you can have multiple wives, marrying an underage bride doesn't imply the marriage need be consumated immediately. It might have been just a betrothal.

**tractor** · 27 January 2015, 16:05

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Originally posted by Batcher View Post

She wasn't 6 though, which I suppose is a good thing?

Furthermore as to the Holy Prophet’s marriage with Sayyidah Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Sayyidah Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage.
If we read the hadiths, we find that right before Sayyidah Aisha got married off to the Holy Prophet that she was sick and not feeling too well:
Narrated Sayyidah Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234}

So as we can see, Sayyidah Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty.

https://islamgreatreligion.wordpress...he-was-only-9/

Equally, there are many African (and other) tribes who consider puberty to be the catalyst (and the bar) for marriage. Puberty can happen within a very wide range of years.

But what any of that has to do with the systematic abuse of (mostly disadvantaged) children by the people whose vocation is to protect them I don't know. Here we have a political, judicial, governmental and secret services scandal that goes deep into the very roots of each of those organisations - and is still there by all accounts, that unless anyone of substance get a grip of, will go forever unpunished.

Just look at some of the scandals over police statements, institutional corruption that have come to light recently. How many of us who had no personal interest in Hillsborough would have believed how much corruption there was? How far would the system go to protect these scumbags? All the way, I would suggest.

Typically, with all these scandals, like whole councils and police forces that have ignored this for so long in certain parts of the country, it's not the foot soldiers that are the problem, it is almost always the bosses.

**MicrosoftBob** · 27 January 2015, 16:11

Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post

Maybe at a point when a leader not taking an opportunity to marry the offspring of the ruler of a neighbouring tribe would lead to that neighbour making some other possibly hostile alliance and likely cause bloodshed and possible loss of the former leader's kingdom.

Also, when you can have multiple wives, marrying an underage bride doesn't imply the marriage need be consumated immediately. It might have been just a betrothal.

That's what they usually have young boys for, to fill the gap so to speak

**Batcher** · 27 January 2015, 16:18

Originally posted by tractor View Post

Equally, there are many African (and other) tribes who consider puberty to be the catalyst (and the bar) for marriage. Puberty can happen within a very wide range of years.

But what any of that has to do with the systematic abuse of (mostly disadvantaged) children by the people whose vocation is to protect them I don't know. Here we have a political, judicial, governmental and secret services scandal that goes deep into the very roots of each of those organisations - and is still there by all accounts, that unless anyone of substance get a grip of, will go forever unpunished.

Just look at some of the scandals over police statements, institutional corruption that have come to light recently. How many of us who had no personal interest in Hillsborough would have believed how much corruption there was? How far would the system go to protect these scumbags? All the way, I would suggest.

Typically, with all these scandals, like whole councils and police forces that have ignored this for so long in certain parts of the country, it's not the foot soldiers that are the problem, it is almost always the bosses.

Sorry for going OT. Maybe the Westminster paedos should say the boys they buggered had reached puberty so it's all ok?

**GlenW** · 27 January 2015, 16:21