what happened to free speech

[KaiserWilly]

I cannot believe I am even replying to such an offensive narrowminded bigot as yourself but I have to ask, where do you get that statistic from because as far as I can tell, governments do not collect crime statistics based on religion, race yes but not religion and therefore I think you are talking out of your arse. Quote your source or stop posting such bigoted bile.

Forty percent of Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands between the ages of 12 and 24 have been arrested, fined, charged or otherwise accused of committing a crime during the past five years, according to a new report commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Interior.

In Dutch neighborhoods where the majority of residents are Moroccan immigrants, the youth crime rate reaches 50%. Moreover, juvenile delinquency among Moroccans is not limited to males; girls and young women are increasingly involved in criminal activities.

The "Dutch-Moroccan Monitor 2011" also reveals that most of the Moroccan youth involved in criminal activities were born in Holland. This implies that the children of Moroccan immigrants are not integrating into Dutch society, and confirms that the Netherlands is paying dearly for its failed multicultural approach to immigration.

The report, which was produced by the Rotterdam Institute for Social Policy Research (Risbo) at the Erasmus University Rotterdam, examines the extent and nature of crime among the Dutch-Moroccan population in 22 municipalities in the Netherlands. The data were taken from the Herkenningsdienstsysteem (HKS), a nationwide database where the Dutch police register criminal suspects.

Facts hurt, huh?

[Mich the Tester]

A fact you're backing up how?

While he's at it, I'd like a convincing explanation for the idea that 'an exception proves the rule'.

[d000hg]

40% of Moroccan immigrants 12-24 have records, and that equates to 60% of the total Muslim population?

Well done quoting a report (with no link) which doesn't even mention the 60% figure.

[Pondlife]

40% of Moroccan immigrants 12-24 have records, and that equates to 60% of the total Muslim population?

Well done quoting a report (with no link) which doesn't even mention the 60% figure.

Not even that.

or otherwise accused of committing a crime

[cailin maith]

Forty percent of Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands between the ages of 12 and 24 have been arrested, fined, charged or otherwise accused of committing a crime during the past five years, according to a new report commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Interior.

In Dutch neighborhoods where the majority of residents are Moroccan immigrants, the youth crime rate reaches 50%. Moreover, juvenile delinquency among Moroccans is not limited to males; girls and young women are increasingly involved in criminal activities.

The "Dutch-Moroccan Monitor 2011" also reveals that most of the Moroccan youth involved in criminal activities were born in Holland. This implies that the children of Moroccan immigrants are not integrating into Dutch society, and confirms that the Netherlands is paying dearly for its failed multicultural approach to immigration.

The report, which was produced by the Rotterdam Institute for Social Policy Research (Risbo) at the Erasmus University Rotterdam, examines the extent and nature of crime among the Dutch-Moroccan population in 22 municipalities in the Netherlands. The data were taken from the Herkenningsdienstsysteem (HKS), a nationwide database where the Dutch police register criminal suspects.

Facts hurt, huh?

Maybe I'm being a bit dim here but how does that add up to 60%?

[Mich the Tester]

Forty percent of Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands between the ages of 12 and 24 have been arrested, fined, charged or otherwise accused of committing a crime during the past five years, according to a new report commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Interior.

In Dutch neighborhoods where the majority of residents are Moroccan immigrants, the youth crime rate reaches 50%. Moreover, juvenile delinquency among Moroccans is not limited to males; girls and young women are increasingly involved in criminal activities.

The "Dutch-Moroccan Monitor 2011" also reveals that most of the Moroccan youth involved in criminal activities were born in Holland. This implies that the children of Moroccan immigrants are not integrating into Dutch society, and confirms that the Netherlands is paying dearly for its failed multicultural approach to immigration.

The report, which was produced by the Rotterdam Institute for Social Policy Research (Risbo) at the Erasmus University Rotterdam, examines the extent and nature of crime among the Dutch-Moroccan population in 22 municipalities in the Netherlands. The data were taken from the Herkenningsdienstsysteem (HKS), a nationwide database where the Dutch police register criminal suspects.

Facts hurt, huh?

Firstly, you're talking about Moroccans, and that's not all the muslims in NL. You're also backtracking and talking of 40%, not 60%. The Dutch government use a definition of 'muslims' and non-western immigrants that's so broad that I’m a black African muslim by virtue of being born in a muslim area of an African country. I think if you’d meet me you’d see that I am not. Their definition of ‘non western immigrant’ is so broad as to make the statistics worse than useless; even the crown princess is a non western immigrant (she’s Argentinian, which is one of the most ‘western’ societies on earth. Lady Tester’s a ‘western immigrant’ because her grandfather (one grandparent born abroad) was born over the border in Belgium.

Plus, 'suspect' does not equal 'convict', and convict does not necessarily equal 'the bloke wot done it'.

Those statistics are tulipe, and all they do is display for all that Dutch universities are not all they're cracked up to be.

[fckvwls]

40% of Moroccan immigrants 12-24 have records, and that equates to 60% of the total Muslim population?

Well done quoting a report (with no link) which doesn't even mention the 60% figure.

Whilst I agree that the figures quoted don't match those in the text from the report used (they also don't address Spod's point re race vs religion), these are still some alarming stats and reflect a significant problem.

[KaiserWilly]

So what. SOME countries is not ALL Muslims. .

Not all Germans in WWII were like Himmler and Eichmann either. So what?

Believing in Christian teachings implicitly means you oppose Islam doctrine. Since of the two of us I'm the only one who actually follows one of these religions, perhaps you should engage you brain before insulting people simply for disagreeing with you.

You don't understand the word 'blasphemy', do you?

Anyway, Christians in the Middle East are thriving, do they? Copts in Egypt, Catholics in Algeria, Chaldeans in Iraq, etc.

[sasguru]

Maybe I'm being a bit dim here but how does that add up to 60%?

It doesn't. I don't know what proportion of Muslim immigrants to Holland are Moroccan, but even if 40% committed a crime, the proportion of Muslim immigrants committing a crime could possibly be quite small.

So I can safely conclude KaiserWilly is an innumerate cretin.

[Mich the Tester]

Not even that.

or otherwise accused of committing a crime

What you also have to realise is that a few years ago it became a crime in NL to not be able to immediately show ID to a policeman; that means that every time someone's questioned by police he's asked for ID and if he can't show it he gets arrested. Now I'm not saying that's the reason for all of these arrests, but seeing as the police patrol urban areas (where lots of 'immigrants' live) more heavily than other areas (to the chagrin of those of us who live in the country and have to put up with white chavs), it's pretty obvious that the figures are skewed.

There aren't any good statistics because the issues are simply too complex to be captured in simple numbers.