Daily Mail: Ocado turns to Poland for IT staff; UK IT graduate shortage blamed

[d000hg]

About time we started offering tax incentives to stop offshoring.

We do - you pay less CT as a result of hiring local people.

[Scoobos]

I have done my fair share of graduate recruiting/interviewing. The graduates of today really are a deluded lot. Some were asking a starting salary of 30K odd. The expected salaries seemed to depend on how much mortgage they had to take to buy a house. The expectation level among graduates is quite high in terms of how much they can earn. The attitude was one of them doing me a favour by taking up a position in our company rather than actually being grateful that there were companies hiring graduates in this climate.

After years of indoctrination that if you do well in your exams that life will reward you , and if you don't you'll be on the job pile - I'm not surprised.

I remember it being a shock to my system that I wasn't walking into 30k jobs, because of the way that Uni and 6th Form were given the hard sell (people who dont pass, work in low paid jobs - not graduates surely). My first job after uni was 12,000 in 1999 - awful.

Now its even if you get a degree you'll struggle , because there are 1000's of graduates every year in nearly every city .. But they'll grow up quickly once they realise that life doesnt owe anyone a living.

[northernladyuk]

Was your mental cleaner local or Eastern European?

I know he mumbles a bit, but the old man's from Rotherham, not Riga.

[SupremeSpod]

After years of indoctrination that if you do well in your exams that life will reward you , and if you don't you'll be on the job pile - I'm not surprised.

I remember it being a shock to my system that I wasn't walking into 30k jobs, because of the way that Uni and 6th Form were given the hard sell (people who dont pass, work in low paid jobs - not graduates surely). My first job after uni was 12,000 in 1999 - awful.

Now its even if you get a degree you'll struggle , because there are 1000's of graduates every year in nearly every city .. But they'll grow up quickly once they realise that life doesnt owe anyone a living.

Judging by the number of fuqwit graduates who frequent this forum and can't even spell I'm not surprised that graduates are finding it tough getting a well paid job!

[minestrone]

I worked with a few Polish developers and they were not very good, the Romain ones I am with just now are terrible, I put that down to their experience level and only in the last few years have they been able to work on big projects where most IT contractors from the UK have been doing this for years. They will get better.

Bob is still the winner of stupidity. It never ceases to amaze me how thick they and how I am expected to work with them.

[MarillionFan]

I worked with a few Polish developers and they were not very good, the Romain ones I am with just now are terrible, I put that down to their experience level and only in the last few years have they been able to work on big projects where most IT contractors from the UK have been doing this for years. They will get better.

Bob is still the winner of stupidity. It never ceases to amaze me how thick they and how I am expected to work with them.

I've worked with good and bad offshore and onshore people. You need to manage accordingly, hire accordingly and fire accordingly.

[SueEllen]

I've worked with good and bad offshore and onshore people. You need to manage accordingly, hire accordingly and fire accordingly.

WHS

It should be remembered there are people of all nationalities who went into IT for the money - more fool them.

[minestrone]

I've worked with good and bad offshore and onshore people. You need to manage accordingly, hire accordingly and fire accordingly.

The Romainians have a no logging policy on errors, the catch any exception and show an error page but do not log what went on. I think they do that as they see error messages as a sign they have somehow failed, it is an nightmare when something does go wrong, you are debugging with no evidence.

And their code is shit: to be honest.

[minestrone]

Much better than bobs I say though.

[MarillionFan]

The Romainians have a no logging policy on errors, the catch any exception and show an error page but do not log what went on. I think they do that as they see error messages as a sign they have somehow failed, it is an nightmare when something does go wrong, you are debugging with no evidence.

And their code is tulip to be honest.

Nice sweeping racially stereotyping generalization you skirt wearing tight arsed Scot.