Daily Mail: Ocado turns to Poland for IT staff; UK IT graduate shortage blamed

[SueEllen]

Nice sweeping racially stereotyping generalization you skirt wearing tight arsed Scot.

He can't help it.

He's only worked with clients who can only afford to pay sh*t permie salaries so can only get sh*t staff.

[KentPhilip]

After years of indoctrination that if you do well in your exams that life will reward you , and if you don't you'll be on the job pile - I'm not surprised.

I remember it being a shock to my system that I wasn't walking into 30k jobs, because of the way that Uni and 6th Form were given the hard sell (people who dont pass, work in low paid jobs - not graduates surely). My first job after uni was 12,000 in 1999 - awful.

Now its even if you get a degree you'll struggle , because there are 1000's of graduates every year in nearly every city .. But they'll grow up quickly once they realise that life doesnt owe anyone a living.

Couldn't agree more; the public-sector sponsored education system sells higher education as the holy grail essential to success in life. Is it f***
I was suckered into it big time.
Still I recovered from it and am doing OK now. ...just preparing the parcel bombs for my old college and professor

[AtW]

Some were asking a starting salary of 30K odd. The expected salaries seemed to depend on how much mortgage they had to take to buy a house.

It is reasonable for somebody to look for a job that pays enough to afford mortgage, some beer etc.

What's unreasonable is that banks would give massive mortgage to somebody who got no stable job with enough disposable income to withstand all sort of problems in live.

[NotAllThere]

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I remember it being a shock to my system that I wasn't walking into 30k jobs, because of the way that Uni and 6th Form were given the hard sell (people who dont pass, work in low paid jobs - not graduates surely). My first job after uni was 12,000 in 1999 - awful...

I entered the job market in 1990. At that time the starting salary for IT work was between £10k and £22k, but tending towards the 10k. I remember I started on £11,309, but after a year and harmonisation across the whole company of graduate salaries, it was over £16K.

Anyway, it appears that starting salaries didn't change much in 10 years. I wonder why that was? What's the starting salary for a grad now?

Edit: according to this - average starting salaries for graduates - an IT graduate expecting £20K isn't unreasonable.

[BrilloPad]

I entered the job market in 1990. At that time the starting salary for IT work was between £10k and £22k, but tending towards the 10k. I remember I started on £11,309, but after a year and harmonisation across the whole company of graduate salaries, it was over £16K.

Anyway, it appears that starting salaries didn't change much in 10 years. I wonder why that was? What's the starting salary for a grad now?

Edit: according to this - average starting salaries for graduates - an IT graduate expecting £20K isn't unreasonable.

You had it lucky. I started in 1984 on 5k. Though to be fair 18 months later I was on 10k and 18 months after that I was on 20k and 18 months after that 40k.

Wish I could have kept that going.

[Old Hack]

You had it lucky. I started in 1984 on 5k. Though to be fair 18 months later I was on 10k and 18 months after that I was on 20k and 18 months after that 40k.

Wish I could have kept that going.

Graduated in '95 second time around, straight into £22k, £30k within 18 months, contracting after 3 years.

Probably the best time to get out of Uni with a Comp Science as we had employers coming to the Uni to head hunt.

I think the trouble is now, is that there are too many non degrees, and this has shifted the average salary of graduates down, but not their average expectations. How many Media Studies B.A. grads are not going to be asking you if you want fries with your order?

[bobspud]

And why not? We are all part of the EU and we are as free to work in Poland as the Poles are to work here. In fact this sort of thing should be happening instead of the scam of the ICT.

If the EU is to work the labour markets need to be far more mobile than they are.

+1 however...

I did a stint with Accenture several years back and was working with a chap who was rather pissed off alot of the time. I took him down the pub to find out what was wrong and it turned out that he had joined the Czech company due to favourable tax over what he would have got here, and the first thing they did was right shore him to the UK the poor sod was on their wages and expenses and could barely afford a beer over here...

[oscarose]

Back in 2009, I worked on a contract remotely for a week from an apartment in Krakow (in between visiting various establishments). The main issue I found was whilst we cater for the Poles very well with a variety of outlets, shopping in Poland was a very distressing experience.

[vetran]

hmm, shortage of supply = rise in price - normally

Computer graduates get less than social workers.

[Scoobos]

Judging by the number of fuqwit graduates who frequent this forum and can't even spell I'm not surprised that graduates are finding it tough getting a well paid job!

Agreed, really poor grammar gets my goat.

Dodgy is on the button too, mobility of labour in the EU is awful - I think a lot has to do with the fact that we speak the universal language of English by default and no one can be arsed to learn a language in order to find work. People I know who have English as a second language say its just bad luck, that they grew up with English songs, Tv and radio and that it was easier to be exposed to it than it is for me to be exposed to, polish for example.

I've moved all round the world for work though, and think everyone should if they can. The amount of people with families who cite kids as a reason they can't - yet when you work around you find that everyone has kids and the kids actually seem to benefit from the experiences (those that I've met anyway).