SBS fcuked it up big time

[shaunbhoy]

the soldiers being paid to be over there killing people.

Our soldiers are not over there with the express intention of "killing people". They are over there to prevent Al Qaeda running training camps. In this they have had considerable success.

Do you know how many people have died, non combatants?

No. And neither do you. But I'd hazard a guess that a great many more have been killed due to indiscriminate IEDs than through coalition bullets.

[Zoiderman]

FTFY I think that ranks as one of the worst written replies I've ever read.

As for your mate 6k a month isn't much for the oil industry. Even the lowest person offshore isn't on much less than that.

I'd say for a Grad employee £6k was a large number.

[DodgyAgent]

Most of the people being killed in Afghanistan are the local people, you have that spot on.

However, you have the peoples wrong. More people are killed by 'friendly' fire, than Soldiers have died. The Taliban do kill a lot of the folk too, but don't simply sweep the other reason under the carpet as it isn't convenient.

Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated that in the 20-month period between October 7, 2001 and June 3, 2003, at least 3,100 to 3,600 civilians were directly killed by U.S.-led forces.

The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported that 828 Afghan civilians had been killed by international-led military forces in 2008, accounting for 39% of the civilian deaths. Air-strikes accounted for the largest proportion of this number, 64%, with 552 civilians killed as a result of U.S./NATO airstrikes.

So, how many soldiers have died again?

So the morality of war is determined by the numbers killed on either side? and of the remaining 61% of civilians killed how many were killed by the Taliban?

[Friday Blue]

FTFY I think that ranks as one of the worst written replies I've ever read.

As for your mate 6k a month isn't much for the oil industry. Even the lowest person offshore isn't on much less than that.

sorry for ruin your day

I must be in the wrong end of the offshore oil and gas industry.... i know they can be sky high, but as far as i know a staffy grad going on a secondment at 6k pcm is quite a lot. most certainly a lot of operators and engineers i know in aberdeen are not on this level of income. Please advise where to go. (I mostly run around within the uk)

[Zoiderman]

Our soldiers are not over there with the express intention of "killing people". They are over there to prevent Al Qaeda running training camps. In this they have had considerable success.


No. And neither do you. But I'd hazard a guess that a great many more have been killed due to indiscriminate IEDs than through coalition bullets.

Well I seem to have a better grasp on the numbers than you do, as 10's of thousands have been killed in 11 years of hit and miss bombing, firefights, and mistakes. Now, how many squaddies have died again?

As for being over there without the intent of killing people. So, tell me again, what do snipers do? Now, when you are attacking these camps by surprise, do the grunts shoving in artillery, mortars and bullets expect not to kill people, or is this considered a mistake?

Now, have I not seen militants being taken out by surgical strikes? Is this not killing them, as opposed to taking prisoner?

You really did get brainwashed as a squaddie didn't you.

[DodgyAgent]

sorry for ruin your day

I must be in the wrong end of the offshore oil and gas industry.... i know they can be sky high, but as far as i know a staffy grad going on a secondment at 6k pcm is quite a lot. most certainly a lot of operators and engineers i know in aberdeen are not on this level of income. Please advise where to go. (I mostly run around within the uk)

Are you a Filipino?

[Friday Blue]

Are you a Filipino?

im afriad not, but what has suggested I may be one?

[Zoiderman]

So the morality of war is determined by the numbers killed on either side? and of the remaining 61% of civilians killed how many were killed by the Taliban?

Ah, ok, well now we've established that we do actually kill a lot of friendly folk, which you seemed to dismiss earlier, you'll now be able, possibly, to read my objections a little more objectively, no?

I think, for balance, if we are going to say 1 soldier died this morning raiding an alleged training camp, that we should also see, and 230 were killed when a missile attack missed its intended target and hit a village.

Do you see now why I don't get the concentration on the deaths of squaddies? Ordinary poor folk going about their daily lives and Boom, Dad, mum, kids, all wiped out of existence.

BTW, I'd check as to why we declared war on Germany, for it wasn't for the concentration camps....

[eek]

sorry for ruin your day

I must be in the wrong end of the offshore oil and gas industry.... i know they can be sky high, but as far as i know a staffy grad going on a secondment at 6k pcm is quite a lot. most certainly a lot of operators and engineers i know in aberdeen are not on this level of income. Please advise where to go. (I mostly run around within the uk)

I must mix in different cycles. But if you are offshore in the UK there is a better than 50% chance you use software I wrote and maintain on a daily basis.

[MarillionFan]

I love the tags keyboard warriors and armchair generals on this thread by Churchill(that could be the title of your autobiography) as if that's supposed to be a 'none of you know what you're talking about' tag.

It's not the army who made the decision to go in, it's the politicians. And the last time I checked the person who made the decision to go in was a civvie and the head of the armed forces is a little old German lady.