SBS fcuked it up big time

[MarillionFan]

If the mission was to pick daisies it could also be classified as a failure too!

You, me and the garden gate don't know what the mission briefing was or what the terrorists were told to do to the hostages if they were attacked.

The hostages were killed by the terrorists during a rescue attempt. That is all we know.

And that is and always be the issue during a hostage rescue that the hostages will get killed during the ensuing battle or their capturers execute them.

To your point above about the goals and objectives of the mission 'Rescue the hostages' would be No 1 because otherwise there is no point bursting into a house all guns blazing when you could wait outside or set up snipers (in this case you don't care about hostages and are ensuring your servicemen don't get killed). I take umbrage at your use of the term collateral damage in this case.

What amazes me though, in this world of technology and investment in non lethel weapons how come we still don't seem to have some sophisticated sonar / magnetic weapon that renders everyone with a certain small radius unconcious when used. Maybe i read to much Sci Fi. :

[TimberWolf]

At least with UK forces, it's the perps who kill the hostages, not the 'rescuers'. Allegedly.

[TimberWolf]

Seems a bit stupid killing hostages when you're about to be captured. I wonder what the full story is.

[Zoiderman]

How do you think they f*cked up?

No being a military man myself, but I would have thought the #1 pre-condition of the raid would have been to ensure they don't kill the people they were sent in to rescue. I mean, unless they were sent in to kill them, in which it would be deemed a remarkable success...

You sure you weren't a squaddie gaylord? You are showing signs you were

[Churchill]

And that is and always be the issue during a hostage rescue that the hostages will get killed during the ensuing battle or their capturers execute them.

To your point above about the goals and objectives of the mission 'Rescue the hostages' would be No 1 because otherwise there is no point bursting into a house all guns blazing when you could wait outside or set up snipers (in this case you don't care about hostages and are ensuring your servicemen don't get killed). I take umbrage at your use of the term collateral damage in this case.

What amazes me though, in this world of technology and investment in non lethel weapons how come we still don't seem to have some sophisticated sonar / magnetic weapon that renders everyone with a certain small radius unconcious when used. Maybe i read to much Sci Fi. :

I'm sure the mission was to rescue the hostages. I'm also pretty sure that the capture of some of the terrorists would be of benefit.

What I object to is someone spouting off saying "so and so has F*cked up" when they haven't got a clue.

On the subject of not having a clue, Zoidy, I'm not gay but thanks for the offer.

If the term "gaylord" is meant to cause offence, it doesn't.

[DodgyAgent]

No being a military man myself, but I would have thought the #1 pre-condition of the raid would have been to ensure they don't kill the people they were sent in to rescue. I mean, unless they were sent in to kill them, in which it would be deemed a remarkable success...

You sure you weren't a squaddie gaylord? You are showing signs you were

So you are back. presumably full of smugness because of this


Fallen heroes: profiles of the six soldiers killed in Afghanistan

[Zoiderman]

I'm sure the mission was to rescue the hostages. I'm also pretty sure that the capture of some of the terrorists would be of benefit.

What I object to is someone spouting off saying "so and so has F*cked up" when they haven't got a clue.

On the subject of not having a clue, Zoidy, I'm not gay but thanks for the offer.

If the term "gaylord" is meant to cause offence, it doesn't.

Not meant to cause offence gaylord, just a title you should be proud of. DOn't protest too much Churchill.

As for your response, if, as you said, their mission was to rescue said hostages, would you agree that as the hostages are now encased in wood and being very dead means the mission wasn't a resounding success?

[cojak]

Guess what I'm gonna do next time you lot kick off?

[Zoiderman]

So you are back. presumably full of smugness because of this


Fallen heroes: profiles of the six soldiers killed in Afghanistan

Not smugness, I dont like death in any format. However, we don't seem to get a running count of the men they've been killing out there do we? I would venture a fair few quid more than 6 non squaddies died out there on Tuesday, because of this stupid war.

War kills innocents, and professional men sent out there to kill. The balance would be to put up the numbers of locals killed as well, but we'll never see that, just our poor sqauddies who are out their being paid to kill people.

Sorry, but I think there should be a balance.

[Troll]

Didn't the Ruskies try that one in a hostage thingy?

The gas they used killed almost as many as the scumbags did.

They weren't so good at Belsan with the traditional rifle and bullets approach
Although they did include Tanks and incendiary rockets just to make certain