ICTs

[DodgyAgent]

Whatever - this is general, after all.


Fail. I asked for a cogent argument for why ICTs are good for us (the UK as a whole) not for a simplistic piece of reasoning about why a company might want to do use them (I can manage that for myself).
Do you have such, or do you feel that they don't really offer any benefits to the UK?

Are these the same fascist multinationals that pay you to work on their ERP systems?

Who is trying to say that ICTs are good for the UK?

[doodab]

All of which adds up to ICT bodyshopping causing a drop in incomes and living standards for IT workers. This is the governments strategy, because IT workers aren't worth worrying about, we are just cogs in the machines that enable them to line their pockets. They will be happy when IT work is perceived and paid as the semi skilled gruntwork that captains of industry tell them it ought to be.

We need to be competing with silicon valley, not Mumbai. Sadly that requires innovation and investment, not just automation of existing processes, and seems to be beyond most captains of industry.

[DodgyAgent]

All of which adds up to ICT bodyshopping causing a drop in incomes and living standards for IT workers. This is the governments strategy, because IT workers aren't worth worrying about, we are just cogs in the machines that enable them to line their pockets. They will be happy when IT work is perceived and paid as the semi skilled gruntwork that captains of industry tell them it ought to be.

We need to be competing with silicon valley, not Mumbai. Sadly that requires innovation and investment, not just automation of existing processes, and seems to be beyond most captains of industry.

Spoken like a whinger

[doodab]

Spoken like a whinger

Spoken like a gobtulipe.

Britain used to lead the world in computing. We practically ******* invented it. Now we are importing ultra cheap labour from overseas to undermine what is left of the sector when we ought to be nurturing it. You can't even blame Europe for it, it's home made systemic failure of epic proportions caused by decades of short termist incompetence.

[DodgyAgent]

Spoken like a gobtulipe.

I would rather speak like a godtulipe than whine like a victim.

[doodab]

I would rather speak like a godtulipe than whine like a victim.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is whining, you simple minded fool.

Why I took you off ignore I'll never know. Back on you go.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Are these the same fascist multinationals that pay you to work on their ERP systems?

Who is trying to say that ICTs are good for the UK?

Yes I work for some reprehensible multinational outfits. It's better than claiming dole and I wasn't born into wealth.

I am trying to evince from anyone who has it, the counter argument. I could sit here in my complacency muttering "ICT is an abuse" (which I think it is - at least in the actuality here if not the spirit), but I want to understand from the proponents why they think it is preferable to swamp our IT departments with overseas workers rather than our own. I realise I should be asking Vince Cable, but he won't answer me, so I thought I'd see if anyone here had any worthwhile points to help me understand whether there is in fact any decent argument in favour of ICT as it currently exists.

[d000hg]

You will know better than I what it costs to outsource. However unless programmers are from outside of the EU I very much doubt you will be able to hire Eastern Europeans to work on site for low pay (for very long anyway)

Hmm, I don't know about the onsite angle for EU people... why is it harder? Isn't it supposed to be easier to bring in EU people and that's why non-EU need ICTs?

Whatever - this is general, after all.

That's not an excuse for making nonsensical statements. If you want a proper debate, it helps not to use words you don't understand in the question.

Fail.

That's not a sentence what's next, txtspk?

[Paddy]

Client co has out-sourced work to a well know telecoms company. The contract allows for more than sufficient revenue for paying qualified UK workers and contractors but in order to make more profit the telecoms company are using the dregs of their foreign sister company. Their so called IT engineers do not have a good enough command of English and their IT skills are less than end users but somehow they manage to have paper qualifications and fancy titles; I would dread to imagine what rate they are being paid.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Hmm, I don't know about the onsite angle for EU people... why is it harder? Isn't it supposed to be easier to bring in EU people and that's why non-EU need ICTs?

That's not an excuse for making nonsensical statements. If you want a proper debate, it helps not to use words you don't understand in the question.

I humbly and unreservedly apologise for using words I don't understand, boss.

That's not a sentence what's next, txtspk?

I am so sorry that wasn't a sentence.

I asked for a cogent argument for why ICTs are good for us (the UK as a whole) not for a simplistic piece of reasoning about why a company might want to do use them (I can manage that for myself).
Do you have such, or do you feel that they don't really offer any benefits to the UK?