Jobless Scum

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Sure, take time off for interviews - not a problem, but minimum of 20 hours per week doing any job local authority has should be compulsory.



Pay minimum wage, no problem with that.



Not a problem - out of those unemployed find best candidates, physically strong to withstand any abuse and pay them triple rate to do admin job - basically somebody who does not turn up gets fired even from that job and no more money. Keep a few big empty prisons ready - that tax a lot of taxpayers would be happy to pay.



It's done in many countries and this pushes people off the dole to get real jobs. Even if it fails utterly it's well worth trying - welfare state costs so much that a spare billion can be found to afford somebody of sasguru quality to supervise work.

Almost everything you outline above incurs substantial additional costs. So because of your idealogical problem with the fact that if you pay JSA some recipients may conceivably be spending less than 24 hours a day looking for work, we all have to pay increased taxes. Not a great sell - and for that reason, I'm out and so are most people - which is (just one of a thousand reasons) why it won't work.

As for "it works in other countries" I'm getting tired of hearing that tulip - this isn't other countries and I'm getting really tired of people from other countries turning up here and telling us how to run the place like the tulipholes they came from or aspire to go to. One of the things I like about it here is that it itsn't like other countries.

[AtW]

Almost everything you outline above incurs substantial additional costs.

"When created in 1948, Britain's welfare state cost just £15bn. Today it is £152bn."

Larger waistlines and a bulging welfare state | Society | guardian.co.uk

What costs you talking about? Overall cost is so high that saving just 10% will give enough money to hire managers from those on the dole who are smart enough to learn how to manage it.

£152 bln per year is 5 (!) High Speed 2 lines from London to Birmingham - yearly.

[SimonMac]

"When created in 1948, Britain's welfare state cost just £15bn. Today it is £152bn."

in 1948 a loaf of bread cost 2 and 1⁄2d

[AtW]

in 1948 a loaf of bread cost 2 and 1⁄2d

Also plenty of guns were around!

[Peoplesoft bloke]

"When created in 1948, Britain's welfare state cost just £15bn. Today it is £152bn."

Larger waistlines and a bulging welfare state | Society | guardian.co.uk

What costs you talking about? Overall cost is so high that saving just 10% will give enough money to hire managers from those on the dole who are smart enough to learn how to manage it.

£152 bln per year is 5 (!) High Speed 2 lines from London to Birmingham - yearly.

Well here's a clue to start off with Welfare State <> JSA

From that article -

"Almost two-thirds of the welfare budget is paid to people of state pension age. Benefits such as winter fuel payments will cost £2.8bn this year."

Much of the cash included in that figure couldn't be made contingent on working so your calculation is bogus (unless you're planning to put the pensioners on your chain gang)

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Also plenty of guns were around!

Oh no, not this tulip again.

Almost everyone in my extended family has a legally held gun. Thankfully they aren't latter-day Chuck Norris wannabies like you.

[AtW]

Much of the cash included in that figure couldn't be made contingent on working so your calculation is bogus.

Do you even know how many billions taxpayers have to pay for JSA? And other benefits that were designed to hide true picture of unemployment.

[AtW]

Almost everyone in my extended family has a legally held gun.

Good.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Do you even know how many billions taxpayers have to pay for JSA? And other benefits that were designed to hide true picture of unemployment.

Have a read of the article you linked to, I did.

"Almost two-thirds of the welfare budget is paid to people of state pension age"

[AtW]

"Almost two-thirds of the welfare budget is paid to people of state pension age"

I asked specifically about JSA, do you know or not?