Poor Raymond :(

[The Spartan]

Agreed, I think we need some extermination squads

I'll volunteer to head up one

[BoredBloke]

Perhaps, after the cut, if he can't make ends meet then perhaps he might consider getting a job. I thought the idea behind the cut was so that you can't simply keep popping out kids and upping your income.

[DodgyAgent]

Hardly sounds an excessive lifestyle to me, it's the cost of cigarettes which sound like the killer... don't begrudge them £15 on booze.

IF it was accurate, that is:

• £20 a week on entertainment is really not a problem for a family... but apparently their entire entertainment budget goes on the dad's weekly pub trip. Either not true, or very selfish.
• £90 a week on 'other', listed mainly as school stuff. No way.
• Mobile phones for the teenage kids and both adults? Having a laugh.
• Sky... £15 a month I'd say OK but a week? Get freeview like the rest of us and treat yourselves to Blockbuster once or twice a week.

I don't hold being on benefits should mean you have absolutely no luxury or entertainment in a civilised country. Learning to budget is what they need more than anything else.

What I find so extraordinary with people like this (d000hg not the benefits family)is the fact that they work on the premise that having so many people trapped on benefits is acceptable at all. The sheer breathtaking ignorance of this statement is what really worries me "Learning to budget is what they need more than anything else"

If we look at this attitude in itself. Firstly what these people need is a sense of purpose to be a value to society and a feeling of self worth. This is far more important than doing the f**king budgeting. They need to work first and foremost and it is cruel and evil to think that they are fortunate to be on benefits.
Also the attitude reveals a typical left wing patronisation of these people as if the pinnacle of what they can expect are handouts from the state - for which the least they can do is "budget their handouts properly". Let them be grateful to you sir d000hg no doubt you can go around telling everyone how you are "caring for the poor" sort of chap. Look at me "I vote labour this is what we believe in".

The reason why these people exist on benefits is because that is where we as a society put them.

[xoggoth]

Excellent DA.

[TimberWolf]

Why work when you have 7 kids.

[d000hg]

Excellent DA.

Apart from the fact that everything he claims I think is 100% made up, not to mention incorrect. DA is obsessed with claiming I'm left-wing and vote Labour.

In fact I'm a capitalist and agree he should get off his arse and work. The simple fact is, however, that guy is NOT going to be able to get a job which pays enough even if they cut out the booze and fags and fripperies (note their rent is far beyond market rate). So either the family would still require a top-up due to their excessive number of children, or some of their children need to be taken away. "They shouldn't have had so many kids" isn't an argument because we're dealing with the present, not showing how great our hindsight is.

[Support Monkey]

What I find so extraordinary with people like this (d000hg not the benefits family)is the fact that they work on the premise that having so many people trapped on benefits is acceptable at all. The sheer breathtaking ignorance of this statement is what really worries me "Learning to budget is what they need more than anything else"

If we look at this attitude in itself. Firstly what these people need is a sense of purpose to be a value to society and a feeling of self worth. This is far more important than doing the f**king budgeting. They need to work first and foremost and it is cruel and evil to think that they are fortunate to be on benefits.
Also the attitude reveals a typical left wing patronisation of these people as if the pinnacle of what they can expect are handouts from the state - for which the least they can do is "budget their handouts properly". Let them be grateful to you sir d000hg no doubt you can go around telling everyone how you are "caring for the poor" sort of chap. Look at me "I vote labour this is what we believe in".

The reason why these people exist on benefits is because that is where we as a society put them.

[OwlHoot]

Agreed, I think we need some extermination squads

I'll volunteer to head up one

and after the next round of cost-cutting, when you were laid off and couldn't for love or money get another extermination job, we'd have to exterminate you.

OH in <Godfather>Leave the gun - Take the cannoli</Godfather> mode.

[DodgyAgent]

Apart from the fact that everything he claims I think is 100% made up, not to mention incorrect. DA is obsessed with claiming I'm left-wing and vote Labour.

In fact I'm a capitalist and agree he should get off his arse and work. The simple fact is, however, that guy is NOT going to be able to get a job which pays enough even if they cut out the booze and fags and fripperies (note their rent is far beyond market rate). So either the family would still require a top-up due to their excessive number of children, or some of their children need to be taken away. "They shouldn't have had so many kids" isn't an argument because we're dealing with the present, not showing how great our hindsight is.

Fair enough but your attitude is what ties you in with the left. I will also add that you are a capitalist because it personally suits you to be one.
The point I am making is that the left wing doctrine supported by so many middle classes (I like to call them hypocrites) is to support a system that is in practice evil. It is a system that begins with demonising people who do well and ends with imprisoning people on welfare and state dependency.
In the middle sits a huge propaganda machine that makes us believe that the concept of taxation as virtuous, that the "all jobs protected" state dispenses and collects our income better than we can do ourselves, that personal freedom and responsibility is selfish and that above all creates a sense of entitlement amongst those who support it - the list goes on and on.

If on the other hand we refuse to be drawn into this twisted abuse of morality and bother to look at the output of this left wing ideology we can see how patently wrong it is.

These people need not have been on benefits in the first place. The reason they are there is because without them the left would have no one to pretend to be speaking for. (apart from the fact that most of the public sector would have to get a proper job)

[Pondlife]

I'll risk the flaming but...

They haven't kept popping out kids to supplement their income as I read it. More that half their 'income' is child tax allowance which is a) capped at about £300 and b) stops when the kids hit 16 and/or leave school.

He has two girls from a previous marriage and since they're teenage it is more than possible he was working at the time. Three of the other 4 kids were from her previous marriage. Obviously popping out their own was not the wisest but it hasn't meant significantly more cash.

What I would question is;

1. Where the fck are the previous partners' contributions?
2. Why are they wasting money on Sky etc? IMHO if a kid wants a mobile they can get a part time job and fund it themselves.
3. How can anyone have any self-respect by not working for 10+ years?