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Should Thatcher get a state funeral?

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    #91
    There was a third way, the unions could have compromised as they did on the earlier pit closures. The car workers could have abandoned their spanish practices etc.

    Private enterprise could have lobbied for tax incentives and invested in the future as Germany & Japan did, and as India & China are doing now.

    Apparently Thatcher is responsible for closing all the profitable and well run private industry, the exceptionally cheap coal mines and ultra reliable car works that we used to have. Personally I remember them all being heavily subsidised, rubbish quality and on strike all the time.

    Yet at the same time equivalent German plants with established workers councils built cars for a profit & to a quality we couldn't achieve.

    I remember BT taking a month to come out & fix your phone. The water & gas board being even more arrogant with their customers than they are today. Do you?

    Mechanisation & computers have removed hundreds of times more jobs than any government. Miners used to use pickaxes, now there are 3 miners and a million pounds worth of mining equipment in a colliery. Factories have 5 workers and the rest are machines. Admin staff have gone from a thousand secretaries to one computer. This is the back drop to the 'Tory job cuts'.

    If you want to go back to full employment like in the 1800s then you have 3 choices
    1. Have some serious wars or a plague. (did for 1914 - 1918)
    2. Smash all the machines.
    3. Create innovative new jobs that can only be done in the UK by humans.

    Again apart from stopping the Milk what else can you lay at Thatchers door?

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      #92
      Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
      I would WALK down south to a new job if there was a reasonably-paid job and a realistic rent at the other end for me and my family. Governments mouth words about getting on your bike, but there is not a penny available to help you to re-locate where the work is. It's almost as though they would rather pay dole in one place than collect tax in the other.
      A waste of a nation.
      Well most of Eastern Europe seem to have made it here without a council house to go to.

      I relocated to where the jobs were and the houses were cheaper 15 years ago. I lost money on my old flat yet we still managed it. You are allegedly a skilled worker you should be able to command the average wage, live in a poor house on a rough estate for a bit like everyone else does until they can afford a Swindon style mansion, or commute. You can rent a place just outside London from £55 a week.

      Property to rent in Southall, Middlesex

      so that is £250 a month what are you going to spend the other £1250 on?

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        #93
        smash the machines!
        While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'

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          #94
          Originally posted by doodab View Post
          smash the machines!
          er what about IT?
          Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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            #95
            Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
            er what about IT?
            What about what?
            While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'

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              #96
              would count that as machines.

              But bottom end labour was removed by mechanisation. Administration & sales by IT.

              We could all retrain as outreach consultants.

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                #97
                Originally posted by vetran View Post
                would count that as machines.

                But bottom end labour was removed by mechanisation. Administration & sales by IT.

                We could all retrain as outreach consultants.
                The worst of the bunch are the likes of Churchill who put IT on machines
                Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                  The worst of the bunch are the likes of Churchill who put IT on machines
                  I wouldn't put it on machines. It might get mangled in the gears or something.
                  While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post
                    Well most of Eastern Europe seem to have made it here without a council house to go to.

                    I relocated to where the jobs were and the houses were cheaper 15 years ago. I lost money on my old flat yet we still managed it. You are allegedly a skilled worker you should be able to command the average wage, live in a poor house on a rough estate for a bit like everyone else does until they can afford a Swindon style mansion, or commute. You can rent a place just outside London from £55 a week.


                    so that is £250 a month what are you going to spend the other £1250 on?
                    Fairy nuff.
                    I've lived down south before, you know. As soon as I get a job up here, my first aim is to save up a few grand for the deposit, rent up-front and van hire etc, and as soon as a job comes up I will be out of god-forsaken Cumbria forever, and never set foot here again.....

                    It's just a pity that the government don't have some kind of scheme for the longer-term unemployed who have exhausted their resources and don't have the necessary reserves to 'jump' towards the work. It seems illogical to me to carry on paying dole to people who would much rather be working, when if they were to cough up a few month's worth, they could then get it all back in income tax.

                    If they can't bring work to the people, why not help people to move to the work?

                    Just to repeat my friendly warning to all. STAY AWAY FROM WEST CUMBRIA. It is OK to 'work away' here, but do not consider re-locating. That is the biggest mistake I ever made. There is only one major employer. So all it takes is one self-preserving contract manager, then if you get sacked you stay sacked.

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                      I don't think its ethical to discuss how someone still alive should be buried.

                      I'd like to propose for mods to close this thread and I'll start new one which would be a poll of those who wishes Mrs Thatcher good health and long life and those like AlfW.

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