Should Thatcher get a state funeral?

[DodgyAgent]

Fairy nuff.
I've lived down south before, you know. As soon as I get a job up here, my first aim is to save up a few grand for the deposit, rent up-front and van hire etc, and as soon as a job comes up I will be out of god-forsaken Cumbria forever, and never set foot here again.....

It's just a pity that the government don't have some kind of scheme for the longer-term unemployed who have exhausted their resources and don't have the necessary reserves to 'jump' towards the work. It seems illogical to me to carry on paying dole to people who would much rather be working, when if they were to cough up a few month's worth, they could then get it all back in income tax.

If they can't bring work to the people, why not help people to move to the work?



Just to repeat my friendly warning to all. STAY AWAY FROM WEST CUMBRIA. It is OK to 'work away' here, but do not consider re-locating. That is the biggest mistake I ever made. There is only one major employer. So all it takes is one self-preserving contract manager, then if you get sacked you stay sacked.

Take the dole away - they will soon find work

[AtW]

Take the dole away - they will soon find work

And you'll help them?

[doodab]

Take the dole away - they will soon find work

You really are a spiritual descendent of the sheriff of Nottingham aren't you.

From a practical perspective, they'll just as likely end up destitute or criminal and the cost to your calculating but uncaring society will likely be just as high or higher as if you had helped them.

[DodgyAgent]

You really are a spiritual descendent of the sheriff of Nottingham aren't you.

From a practical perspective, they'll just as likely end up destitute or criminal and the cost to your calculating but uncaring society will likely be just as high or higher as if you had helped them.

I am helping them by incentivising them. You want to help them by making them sit at home and do nothing. Which is better?

They get on a bike and pick fruit in Norfolk, gain confidence and have something on their CV from which to step up from
or they are paid to sit at home and do nothing where they build dependence, get fat, lose self esteem, fall into crime and have no hope of ever being taken seriously in the work market.
Your solution smacks of kindness when it is nothing of the sort - it is cruelty dished out to make you feel better about yourself.

[DodgyAgent]

And you'll help them?

I have an office full of eastern europeans to prove it

[KimberleyChris]

Take the dole away - they will soon find work

You seem to live in a simplistic right-wing dream world.

Unemployment has risen dramatically recently. These people (the increase) are not layabouts - they were working before and want to work again. None of them resigned to live a cushy life on the dole - they were sacked and they hate it.

Your system only works if there are more vacancies than people. Then, and only then can you spot the layabouts.

There is no such thing as a cushy life on the dole. A couple gets just over £100/week and some of the rent paid, but not all (it depends if you have any unused bedrooms). All other bills (gas, electric, phone/internet for keeping in touch with agents etc.) come out of the £100. That's £14 per day. If you now anybody who fits the caricature of a dole layabout who has a flash car, smokes and spends all his nights with his mates down the pub, then he is also working on the side.

[KimberleyChris]

"I have an office full of eastern europeans to prove it"

Yeah...right.

OK DodgyAgent

We have been chatting for 24 hours now. You have answered every one of my posts within minutes, often with several paragraphs of rant.

Today is Friday, a work day.

I think that you are actually nothing in real life. Just basically a full-time troll. Nobody works for you. You do not work.

[doodab]

I am helping them by incentivising them. You want to help them by making them sit at home and do nothing. Which is better?

They get on a bike and pick fruit in Norfolk, gain confidence and have something on their CV from which to step up from
or they are paid to sit at home and do nothing where they build dependence, get fat, lose self esteem, fall into crime and have no hope of ever being taken seriously in the work market.
Your solution smacks of kindness when it is nothing of the sort - it is cruelty dished out to make you feel better about yourself.

This is where you jump to conclusions and, like Mrs T you equate "help" with "give a handout". It's the classic perspective of people who don't actually know what hard work is and don't understand how much of a working man's self esteem comes from his work, his pride in his job and his pride in supporting himself and his family. You don't replace that with cash, because you can't. What you need to do is help him find work, not crush him under foot and tell him he's lazy because he doesn't want to move 300 miles to work for a pittance while lining the pockets of some brylcreemed spiv.

[Pondlife]

"I have an office full of eastern europeans to prove it"

Yeah...right.

OK DodgyAgent

We have been chatting for 24 hours now. You have answered every one of my posts within minutes, often with several paragraphs of rant.

Today is Friday, a work day.

I think that you are actually nothing in real life. Just basically a full-time troll. Nobody works for you. You do not work.

What do you think his Europeans are doing. Their job is to read out your posts whilst he paces his office shouting replies and doing deals on the phone.

It's a bit like this... Picture DA on the phone...

Now, listen, Jerry, I'm looking for negative control. Okay? No more than 30, 35 percent. Just enough to block anybody else's merger plans and find out from the inside if the books are cooked. If it looks as good as on paper, we're in the kill zone, pal. Lock and load. THAT KIMBERLY FECKER SAID WHAT! RIGHT START TYPING SERGEI!

[Regent]

"I have an office full of eastern europeans to prove it"

Yeah...right.

OK DodgyAgent

We have been chatting for 24 hours now. You have answered every one of my posts within minutes, often with several paragraphs of rant.

Today is Friday, a work day.

I think that you are actually nothing in real life. Just basically a full-time troll. Nobody works for you. You do not work.

Are there any internet forums for agents?